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7/13/2012 06:35 PM EDT
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goafrit   7/13/2012 7:54:45 PM
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Very key problems for these companies. If they lose US market, they are done.

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goafrit   7/13/2012 7:54:45 PM
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Very key problems for these companies. If they lose US market, they are done.

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FISH1230   7/13/2012 8:16:58 PM
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Does HUAWEI sell productsto the US market? Should be minimum.

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FISH1230   7/13/2012 8:16:58 PM
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Does HUAWEI sell productsto the US market? Should be minimum.

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junko.yoshida   7/13/2012 9:03:49 PM
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Yes, Huawei has been doing business in the U.S. market. Its phones have been sold by AT&T (although under AT&T brand); by Sprint and by T-Mobile for the last few years, under Huawei brand. Huawei also has a big ambition to move into the enterprise market in the U.S. The company launched an intiative to sell its products to American business market late last year. http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/05/huawei-wants-to-sell-to-american-companies/ But you are right. Compared to other markets in the rest of the world, Huawei has yet to snatch up big contracts from the U.S. network operators.

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junko.yoshida   7/13/2012 9:03:49 PM
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Yes, Huawei has been doing business in the U.S. market. Its phones have been sold by AT&T (although under AT&T brand); by Sprint and by T-Mobile for the last few years, under Huawei brand. Huawei also has a big ambition to move into the enterprise market in the U.S. The company launched an intiative to sell its products to American business market late last year. http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/05/huawei-wants-to-sell-to-american-companies/ But you are right. Compared to other markets in the rest of the world, Huawei has yet to snatch up big contracts from the U.S. network operators.

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TarraTarra!   7/14/2012 12:36:52 AM
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I am surprised it took the EU agencies this long to do something about it. The telecom vendors are being decimated by Huawei which has won BIG contracts in europe including britain by giving its h/w away and charging only for services. In the US the networking giants Cisco and Juniper are having a hard time competing with Huawei again for similar reasons. Every market they enter sees a huge price erosion which is good in the short term for the customers but long term this cannot be good for anybody.

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TarraTarra!   7/14/2012 12:36:52 AM
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I am surprised it took the EU agencies this long to do something about it. The telecom vendors are being decimated by Huawei which has won BIG contracts in europe including britain by giving its h/w away and charging only for services. In the US the networking giants Cisco and Juniper are having a hard time competing with Huawei again for similar reasons. Every market they enter sees a huge price erosion which is good in the short term for the customers but long term this cannot be good for anybody.

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nosubject   7/14/2012 7:29:36 AM
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Those talk about freedom or free-trade are hypocrites. If they have market or other advantages, they promote freedom; if they loss the game under the freedom, they yell for protection much louder than anybody.

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nosubject   7/14/2012 7:29:36 AM
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Those talk about freedom or free-trade are hypocrites. If they have market or other advantages, they promote freedom; if they loss the game under the freedom, they yell for protection much louder than anybody.

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chanj0   7/14/2012 10:22:47 PM
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Traditionally, country wants to have a trustworthy vendor for the communication infrastructure. Reasons include not only security but also reliability. As the market changes over the last decades, there are fewer and fewer products that can really be labeled "Made in U.S.A." The most proper Apple iPhone and iPad are all made in China. If China government wanted to spy on US communication through the supply of telecommunication equipments, would running through Foxconn be an easiest way? Don't get me wrong. I do believe better be safe than sorry. Who would really look for jeopardizing national security over saving a few bucks? I also believe there are more that can be done and shall be done to earn a peace of mind of buying/ using those equipments. In terms of pricing and competition, market will drive. If Huawei and ZTE are gaining market share solely on better price with sacrificing of quality, their products won't be in the market for a very long time. On the other hands, if they can product market of such price, why Cisco and other US companies can't? After all, we know market drives. My trouble is Americans suffers. Hopefully, not!

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chanj0   7/14/2012 10:22:47 PM
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Traditionally, country wants to have a trustworthy vendor for the communication infrastructure. Reasons include not only security but also reliability. As the market changes over the last decades, there are fewer and fewer products that can really be labeled "Made in U.S.A." The most proper Apple iPhone and iPad are all made in China. If China government wanted to spy on US communication through the supply of telecommunication equipments, would running through Foxconn be an easiest way? Don't get me wrong. I do believe better be safe than sorry. Who would really look for jeopardizing national security over saving a few bucks? I also believe there are more that can be done and shall be done to earn a peace of mind of buying/ using those equipments. In terms of pricing and competition, market will drive. If Huawei and ZTE are gaining market share solely on better price with sacrificing of quality, their products won't be in the market for a very long time. On the other hands, if they can product market of such price, why Cisco and other US companies can't? After all, we know market drives. My trouble is Americans suffers. Hopefully, not!

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alfred95   7/15/2012 3:47:53 AM
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I think this is how US companies to protect their turf because they cannot win both technically and purely business wise

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alfred95   7/15/2012 3:47:53 AM
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I think this is how US companies to protect their turf because they cannot win both technically and purely business wise

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nyh20028319   7/15/2012 4:11:10 AM
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I think you must work in HW or ZTE. Good work in china.

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nyh20028319   7/15/2012 4:11:10 AM
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I think you must work in HW or ZTE. Good work in china.

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george.leopold   7/16/2012 12:37:15 AM
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The U.S.-backed sanctions against Iran have clearly given U.S. investigators leverage in going after Chinese companies doing business with Iran. We noted several U.S.-based companies who have been prosecuted recently by the Justice Department under U.S. export control rules that have long prohibited commerce with Iran. The latest round of sanctions only amplify this.

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george.leopold   7/16/2012 12:37:15 AM
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The U.S.-backed sanctions against Iran have clearly given U.S. investigators leverage in going after Chinese companies doing business with Iran. We noted several U.S.-based companies who have been prosecuted recently by the Justice Department under U.S. export control rules that have long prohibited commerce with Iran. The latest round of sanctions only amplify this.

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goafrit   7/16/2012 6:17:39 PM
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Interesting. That puts this game on play now. They cannot just ignore Washington then and continue whatever they are doing!

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goafrit   7/16/2012 6:17:39 PM
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Interesting. That puts this game on play now. They cannot just ignore Washington then and continue whatever they are doing!

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goafrit   7/16/2012 6:18:03 PM
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But they may like to expand to U.S. if not the lobby power of Cisco

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goafrit   7/16/2012 6:18:03 PM
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But they may like to expand to U.S. if not the lobby power of Cisco

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phlei   7/16/2012 8:21:40 PM
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Again they use low ball tactic to gain the market shares, that is why the EU is looking into the government subsidies. Huawei beats out Nokia with the low prices to get the large contracts in EU.

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phlei   7/16/2012 8:21:40 PM
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Again they use low ball tactic to gain the market shares, that is why the EU is looking into the government subsidies. Huawei beats out Nokia with the low prices to get the large contracts in EU.

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US Made   7/16/2012 11:08:13 PM
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Tough Talk. No Action. Keep talking it is free...

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US Made   7/16/2012 11:08:13 PM
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Tough Talk. No Action. Keep talking it is free...

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GREAT-Terry   7/17/2012 3:15:50 AM
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Although Huawei and ZTE are really cutting the price tag down to compete with US companies like CISCO and Juniper, we can't just say they are selling junks. It is true that the labor cost in China is much lower and western country, but also that Chinese are much more hard working than any body else.

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GREAT-Terry   7/17/2012 3:15:50 AM
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Although Huawei and ZTE are really cutting the price tag down to compete with US companies like CISCO and Juniper, we can't just say they are selling junks. It is true that the labor cost in China is much lower and western country, but also that Chinese are much more hard working than any body else.

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wave.forest   7/17/2012 11:38:37 AM
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To some extent, they are smart and scary. Should US open the market for Huawei and ZTE, many US network equipment companies, including CISCO and Juniper, would have a very difficult time.

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wave.forest   7/17/2012 11:38:37 AM
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To some extent, they are smart and scary. Should US open the market for Huawei and ZTE, many US network equipment companies, including CISCO and Juniper, would have a very difficult time.

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elctrnx_lyf   7/18/2012 4:15:29 AM
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I'm sceptical about this and really not sure how Huwaei and zte will come out of this blame without any big problems.

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elctrnx_lyf   7/18/2012 4:15:29 AM
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I'm sceptical about this and really not sure how Huwaei and zte will come out of this blame without any big problems.

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