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8/17/2012 08:02 PM EDT
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rick merritt
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rick merritt   8/17/2012 9:28:43 PM
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Are you aware of any companies who have filed their patent disclosures after the relevant standard closed? How prevalent is this practice?

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resistion   8/18/2012 4:00:38 AM
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Even with a substantial number of disclosures before standards finalized, afterwards even more standards-compatible disclosures should be expected.

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goafrit   8/17/2012 9:37:25 PM
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I pity Samsung. This is hurting their credibility as a technical company. Apple is beating them in the marketing/PR side of this trial

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old account Frank Eory   8/17/2012 10:47:22 PM
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How bizarre that he answered the question about whether Samsung practices FRAND licensing with a "no." Do you think maybe he misunderstood the question?

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daleste   8/18/2012 2:04:02 AM
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Apple is a great company. I enjoy seeing them do well in these proceedings. If Samsung was genuine in their motives, they would look a lot better in the court.

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Greg.Dee   8/18/2012 5:10:01 AM
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Well depends what you read. Apple would have you believe they invented everything if they could pull it off.

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resistion   8/18/2012 3:58:29 AM
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This soap opera should continue as the losing side appeals..

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Greg.Dee   8/18/2012 5:13:32 AM
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Why do i get the feeling that this blog is pro Apple (as most "writers" are) ? and A jury of 9 San Jose residents? Talk about set up. I think Merritt should disclose what products he uses personally.

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rick merritt   8/18/2012 6:44:45 AM
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I'm doing my best to walk the line of objectivity. And if you really are interested I use a Lenovo Windows PC and an iPhone, both supplied by my company.

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SiliconAsia   8/18/2012 3:16:54 PM
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I agree. We should ban him from writing to EETIMES.

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Thomas "Rick" Tewell   8/19/2012 8:45:25 AM
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Greg.Dee and SiliconAsia, can it. Rick is doing a great job covering this trial. Geez...lighten up. Apple's attorneys are obviously well coached in the "marketing message" and in the end Apple wants to make sure their "message" is communicated even through this trial. Mr. Merritt is just reporting the facts clearly and I for one appreciate his work. It is fascinating to read. BTW - I am not an Apple "fan boy" - I work for Fujitsu. I do, however, have an iPad and I love it. I use a BlackBerry for my phone - just in case anybody is interested :)

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Greg.Dee   8/18/2012 5:14:16 AM
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http://mashable.com/2012/08/16/apple-lawyers-smoking-crack-samsung/

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Greg.Dee   8/18/2012 5:15:26 AM
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Another point of view maybe... http://mashable.com/2012/08/16/apple-lawyers-smoking-crack-samsung/

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Sheetal.Pandey   8/18/2012 10:54:47 AM
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Looks like Apple has the right strategy to win the case. After all in the courtroom the perception does matter if the point can be proven.

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m00nshine   8/18/2012 12:28:21 PM
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How many Apple fans would feel this trial was fair if it was being held in Seoul with a Korean jury and covered primarily by Korean journalists? It is true the entire trial and the coverage is naturally biased in favor of apple.

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t.alex   8/18/2012 2:28:34 PM
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I think the trial is in US because Samsung his selling the infringing products in US?

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m00nshine   8/18/2012 3:15:44 PM
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your point not relevant regarding perceived bias based on trial location

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wilber_xbox   8/20/2012 11:14:46 AM
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the perceived bias is unjust. Does it mean that any company with US origin can have favorable situation if it is HQ in US?

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SiliconAsia   8/18/2012 3:21:47 PM
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Judge said both companies have certain risks on this trial. I don't believe it's one way street. This whole thing got started by Samsung demanding 2.4% of royalty on iPhone/iPAD products using Samsung patents. The early negotiation failed but if you look at the number of patents Samsung owns (Second largest after IBM), Apple does not even seem to come close to being an high tech company in terms of number of patents owned.

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Stanley_   8/18/2012 5:49:24 PM
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This whole thing got started by Apple suing Samsung asking banning samsung cell phone from being sold in US. Samsung countered by communication patent.

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_hm   8/20/2012 12:32:37 AM
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US is perhaps the best place for trial. Good luck to Apple.

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rwik78   8/20/2012 1:23:46 AM
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Rick, please keep up the great work.... I am following the trial through your arcticles.... Thanks for presenting an impartial view.

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wilber_xbox   8/20/2012 11:17:07 AM
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Rick, thanks for keeping the good work ethics. however, sometime i perceive your article to be biased towards Apple. I do not know whether it is because the case has been so till now.

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agk   8/20/2012 12:23:27 PM
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The trail is going on. What will happen after the judgement? Suppose Apple wins will Samsung will bring another new model to sell in USA? or if Samsung wins will Apple going to pay royalty to Samusung? or if both win in their respective patents Apple and Samsung will continue to sell their same products world wide?

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gatorfan   8/21/2012 1:04:06 AM
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It's being tried in the US because the issue is US issued patents. Take the tin foil hats off folks. Or suspend the fan-boi attitudes. What Rick has reported has irked me both ways, that means he's doing his job.

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I_B_GREEN   8/21/2012 6:05:34 PM
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standards rules do not trump law patent or otherwise. What is a "timely manner". If this were to be upheld in court it could only allow for the untimly time for relief. All other times would require a royalty payment. Or swapping royalty payments.

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tkl1   8/22/2012 12:19:21 AM
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Refer to Wang vs Mitsubishi*. The original DRAM SIMM patent, JEDEC standardization and Wang's attempt to claim royalties. 1983. Wang lost both the jury trial and on appeals. The obligations of Standards Developing Organizations (SDOs) are becoming more and more clear with every court case. If you participate in an SDO, disclose your patent applications, or don't expect royalties. More recently, a well-known DRAM IP firm spent hundreds of millions in an effort to defend itself. But it finally lost its latest case against an Idaho memory company re: key synchronous DRAM patents. The IP firm failed to disclose key patent applications to standards committees, while it was a member of an SDO in the mid-1990's. * Wang Laboratories, Inc. v. Mitsubishi Electronics America, Inc. and Mitsubishi Electric Corporation, 103 F.3d 1571; 41 U.S.P.Q.2D (BNA) 1263 (Fed. Cir. 1997).

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Treecat23   9/5/2012 8:03:37 PM
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Considering Samsung has the Patent for The "Retina" display used in the ipads and the fact they manufacture most of Apple's hardware can backfire for Apple. If Apple wins, say goodbye to the Ipad 2,ipod,mac,etc. Also Apple is suing samsung because their tablet is too "square", Apple actually has patented the square with rounded edges. That is the worst judicial allowment ever.Come sue me too Apple, my table is a square. Also Apple's slide to unlock feature is a metaphor. And in Apples 1988-1994 court battle, it was decided illegal to patent a metaphor. Yet another judicial error/ law breaking streak in apple. Die Crapple die!!! Love ya Samsung

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