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12/20/2012 11:25 PM EST
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semiguy   12/21/2012 2:42:42 AM
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Intel is becoming a joke. Intel Board needs to clean all senior management (more than CEO). Clover Trail should not be compared to a 2 year old shipping product (Tegra 3). No one is designing Tegra 3 into new hardware designs today. Correct comparison is Clover Trial with/versus A6, or current snapdragon Krait, or if you want to compare to Nvidia compare to Tegra 4 which many OEM have samples (being designed into tablets now) and we will see announced in January at CES. Arm A15 class products in 28nm make a joke out of Intel atom (32 or 22nm) and a joke out of Intel

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eewiz   12/21/2012 6:34:21 AM
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Tegra 3 is not 2 year old. yea but they shud have compared with Tegra 4. seems almost out now http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/18/nvidia-tegra-4-processor-leak-4-plus-1-quad-core-28nm/

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awrty   12/30/2012 11:25:28 PM
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why should the comparison be to tegra 4? is tegra 4 bing used in win8 tablets?

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awrty   12/30/2012 11:26:05 PM
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i think you are making a joke because you have no valid technical response.

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1-mobileman   12/21/2012 4:44:08 AM
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another data point Intel benchmarks it battery draw of its 10x slower 3G modem against 4G LTE smartphones so Medfield chip running in Android smartphones are dubious as well

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wsw1982   12/21/2012 8:23:27 AM
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The phone operate on LTE actually consume less power than on 3G.(the review from anandtech) It maybe because the phone can spend more time on idle mode.

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awrty   12/30/2012 11:50:30 PM
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well said!

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WW Thinker   12/24/2012 6:00:12 AM
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Medfield is a joke. Lenovo Mobile and ZTE use Medfield in their not-selling-well smartphones because they want to "keep" the relationship. Further, I suspect that Intel is providing some kind of development funds to incentivize OEMs for the development work. In fact, any OEM with the sane mind will not spend any resource & money on Medfield development or products. The Bay Trail and its equivalent, on the other hand, are reasonable bet against those from Nvidia and Qualcomm because 22nm is in theory superior to the 28nm and the mediocre 20nm.

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awrty   12/30/2012 11:24:40 PM
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are you saying that it is something with the chip that is causing the sales numbers? if so enlighten us please.

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awrty   12/30/2012 11:51:03 PM
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your argument is more dubious than anything i read in the article

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1-mobileman   12/21/2012 3:23:43 PM
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Semiguy,wsw1982 yes when atom compared to A15 (fair comparision) vs old tegra 3...."disastrous for intel" http://news.softpedia.com/news/Intel-Launches-2-GHz-Atom-Medfield-with-Disastrous-Performance-293186.shtml I work on modem chip architecture. LTE is 3G plus a much more complicated 4G so in general it has higher power apples to apples benchmarking. So my experience matches this. http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2012/12/12/intels-medfield-has-no-edge-on-qcom-snapdragon-says-nomura/

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wsw1982   12/26/2012 2:47:40 AM
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The medfield lead the most of the ARM (except the A15) in browser experience. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6425/google-nexus-4-and-nexus-10-review I think it depends on the use case to judge the performance. It depends on what the smartphone is used for crash numbers or browser internet. As for the power consumption, it also depends on the usage pattern. Yes, LTE modern consume more power when activate, but it also spare the entire phone (include the CPU) more time in idle. And as a overall result, it actually save the power. The real world measurement support this: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-review/13 You can see the phone with LTE enabled has longer battery life than without.

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awrty   12/30/2012 11:23:17 PM
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well of course the 4G chip would be more complicated than a 3G chip. everone knows that. even someone who hasnt worked on 4G. But just from a HUGS principle (hurry up and go to sleep), the 4G chip would complete the download quicker and go to a low power state quicker.

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sranje   12/21/2012 4:29:32 PM
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Thank you Nathan. Also -- Intel will likely have LTE baseband and transceiver ICs very shortly...

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rick merritt   12/21/2012 5:03:49 PM
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Like at CES?

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seaEE   12/22/2012 2:57:26 AM
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The heart of rock and roll is still beating.

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ChipConnoisseur   12/26/2012 9:59:52 AM
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Good job Intel. You managed to beat a 40nm 80mm2 chip that came out a year ago, and wasn't that good to begin with. You should be truly proud of yourself! Too bad you can't hold a candle to the Cortex A15-based Exynos 5 in Nexus 10, and the A6X in iPad 4 in both CPU and GPU performance (especially in GPU performance), and your chip is a lot more expensive than those, too. But, sure, let's pretend those chips don't exist so we can all pretend then that Intel's mobile chips are better than ARM. But hey it's winter holidays, a time of magic. We can make belief.

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awrty   12/30/2012 11:20:28 PM
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do we have any cortex a15 based exynos 5 in win8 at the moment? If there are, then it would indeed be a valid comparison for win8.

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pica0   12/26/2012 5:36:05 PM
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Not an apples to apples comparison. Please, look what has been compared. The Tegra3 ran a WinRT which does not support the fifth (little) core integrated to lower idle power consumtion. As a result idle consumption is higher. Also WinRT needs more instructions to be executed to boot than the Android that ran on the Atom based tablet. Consequently the Tegra3 consumed more energy to boot. All in all that benchmark is pure marketing.

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wsw1982   12/28/2012 9:08:26 AM
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And so does any product (android & WinRT) on the planet. None of them make Tegra 3 last longer in battery life...

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awrty   12/30/2012 11:10:49 PM
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Too bad about the 5th core .., but I didnt see anyone comparing Android to Win8/WinRT. It was a Medfield vs Tegra comparison on the win8 (or corresponding winrt) system.

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rick merritt   12/27/2012 4:25:10 PM
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Nice job debunking Intel's points, people!

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awrty   12/30/2012 11:08:56 PM
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Which points specifically?

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