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2/7/2013 08:01 AM EST
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ChipConnoisseur
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ChipConnoisseur   2/7/2013 12:05:50 PM
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Intel won't even be able to keep the server market together, let alone enter the mobile market. It doesn't look like Intel's chips be competitive with all the different ARM SoC's coming out next year (and in quad core or higher versions).

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rick merritt   2/7/2013 4:11:10 PM
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ASP disruption ahead: “Intel is getting away with huge margins because there’s not a lot of competition, but I think we will see with more competition the prices come down as well as the power.” --Linley Gwennap on the server CPU business

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US Made   2/7/2013 5:28:00 PM
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well defined race Performance/Watt/$. even if Intel leads, margins are going to come down... Do not underestimate if Samsung playing in this market later....even though they are consumer electronics...deep pocket can do many things...

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de_la_rosa   2/7/2013 9:33:39 PM
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ARM have no innovation what so ever. I hate them.

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jackOfManyTrades   2/8/2013 4:33:15 PM
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Yes - they're only in 95% of the world's mobile phones - annual sales a measily 1.6 billion. No innovation whatsoever - which is why Intel find it so easy to compete in that market.

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krisi   2/7/2013 10:26:38 PM
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ARM has no innovation???

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help.fulguy   2/8/2013 4:18:27 PM
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Rick, no surprise with you. Keep Brown nosing ARM.

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chipmonk0   2/8/2013 7:19:32 PM
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EE Times is now owned by UBM, a UK based Co. as is ARM.

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donnie.adams   5/29/2013 4:42:02 PM
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With all due respect, UBM acquired CMP (parent of EE Times) in 1992.

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Bruzzer   2/8/2013 7:35:27 PM
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Former Cyrix, NexGen, ARM, AMD, IDT, as discovery TA in FTC case v intel, as an analyst following the intersection of x86 and ARM I’m for ARM server. With that track record in Intel town who wouldn’t be for ARM server silicon and systems underdogs. There is surely a play here where this analyst has stated ARM server as a viable business. Question is where are the product and price voids in Intel Xeon structure. Unlike other analyst’s who position ARM purely against Atom, this analyst believes ARM architecture can address the entire Xeon performance spread from E3 to 46xx. Dense ARM on blades is a viable high margin business. Multiple ARMs on blade is where the producer values is in ARM server; in multiple processor blades v Xeon. In this article Linley speculates Centerton a place holder for Avoton where this analyst finds Centerton a monopolists attempt to position inferior dual core v ARM quad ready for the dumping as Avoton up to eight cores and integrated hub is launched speculated at 17w power. Where Avoton may already be launched shown by Intel on dual chip micro blades at Open Compute. Centerton is not a place holder but presents a financial barrier verse all ARM SOCs. That is meant by Intel too suck ARM financial value out of production and distribution channels as Centerton is dumped at price less than Intel average fixed cost per unit of production. Likely in sales package with higher margin product where Centerton is essentially priced for free. So here we have competition Intel style no matter the product category. Mike Bruzzone. Camp Marketing

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FriedrichE   2/8/2013 8:40:59 PM
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Nope, thats failed the Turing test.

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Bruzzer   2/8/2013 7:54:09 PM
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Linley places ARM Server at $2.5 billion by 2016 and in earlier report $3 bil. This analyst on Sandy displacement puts ARM at perf ratio 4 1.4 GHz Quad to 1 Xeon 2 GHz Hexa at 56,917,517 units. Analyst suggests ARM value higher then Linely’s $50 placing in Atom land that cannot be sustainable outcome. Report shows ARM server incorporates more system blocks that equates to value in price for functionality. If not ARM server may not be a viable high margin business as margin is the driver to attract foundries to rip chunks of revenue from the monopolist which is the primary attraction. Currently 25 million Atom are produced every cycle, average price $60 value $1.5 billion. Sandy Xeon v ARM on 1:1 unit displacement revenue priced under $250 + Atom = 39,932,527 units value $4,082,044,422. Increase value of ARM blade verse Xeon to $625 including Atom on 1:1 displacement equals 50 million units value $11 billion. For ARM server to displace one quarter of this revenue delivers Linley’s revenue estimate. Interesting quandary is ratio of ARM v Xeon to achieve similar perf; here 1:1 & in above example 4:1. Recall producer margin is in the blades not the individual components regardless of functionality. Where one question beyond Samsung is what will attract the foundry; 50 million v 200,000,000 ARM server chips per year; and at what price & margin. Needless to say speculation until whole platform delivered meaning optimized software. Where if this year total ARM server chips reach 50,000 units or minimally 1,000 validation systems that is a step in the right direction for achieving ARM server success. The missing component then is you, the engineer and applications programmer, call APM, Calxeda and Boston, Marvell and Cogent and order your development system today. If you need a fast smart switch that can search and store at power well utilized ARM Server is worth developing into other than an Intel monopoly future. Mike Bruzzone, Camp Marketing

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FriedrichE   2/8/2013 8:38:54 PM
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Can anyone translate this into English?

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Pierr   2/8/2013 10:32:11 PM
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I am perplexed by Linley Gwinnap's comments. I assume he is referring to Intel's Atom S1200, which was described in a release and media event in early December. Yet his characterization of the device is at odds both with what is in the release and what was presented by Intel and HP at the event. Moreover, Intel's device has already been included in HP's Gemini systems and HP has affirmed its superior power efficiency in large Scale-out computing applications. HP has communicated that ARM-based processors will be included in the project once they are available with 64b capabilities. But the ARM ecosystem is lagging here as this will not happen until later this year, from what I have read. AMCC claims a lead here, but they are so promotional that (for me) every statement requires corroboration. So is there even a Micro-server SOC market open to ARM this year of any size?

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rick merritt   2/11/2013 4:52:12 PM
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Yes, there is a realtively small 32-b it ARM server market emerging this year with systems from a handful of little known players such as Boston Ltd. (Calxeda) and Mitac and Wiwynn (Marvell) and at least one large user TK soon. But the big juice comes with 64 bit products in 2014.

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giuann   2/9/2013 4:06:40 AM
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ARM does not miss any opportunity to get free advertisement. ARM are SOC therefore I have to develop my own chip or be to the mercy of one of the vendors. Intel chip is a proven standard.

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Bruzzer   2/9/2013 4:30:06 AM
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FredrichE; I respond to business management inquiries. What ARM server really means today, if you're a physicist looking for specific incidents occurring within the real time Big Data of an accelerator ARM server can do it well utilized at a fraction of the power. If you're into analytic's ARM server with stock FPU and certainly adding a DSP accelerator, can do what FPGA acceleration does for lower power. Some believe on their development investment at a lower hardware cost, applications programming time and power. If you're serving from cold storage ARM server offers low power for a job done well done. If you're serving anything Web 2.0, there is from storage search and serve that ARM does well for lower power. Penguin Computing has put up ARM pages if you look through gets down to the brass tacks about ARM server. http://www.penguincomputing.com/search/node?keys=ARM+SERVER Mike Bruzzone, Camp Marketing

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wsw1982   2/11/2013 7:55:51 AM
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What does the author mean by power efficiency? If the author means performance/watt, the ARM, too, is not as power efficiency as Xeon. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/13/xeon_vs_calxeda_arm_apache_bench/ Both ARM/ATOM is good at absolutely power consumption instead of power efficiency.

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HardwIntr   2/11/2013 1:28:28 PM
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Please, where can i buy TODAY a microserver with an ARM inside ? (64 bit please)

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rick merritt   2/11/2013 4:55:40 PM
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Nothing exists for at least six-nine months except FPGA-based development prototypes

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ChipConnoisseur   2/11/2013 8:14:45 PM
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And where can you buy a 64 bit Atom server? Nowhere. In fact, Intel will be at least a year later to this market, as they won't have a real Atom server chip (64 bit) until 2015. Not to mention that even for that generation their transistors are really 26nm, not 22nm.

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HardwIntr   2/13/2013 8:25:58 AM
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so, it's a micro...market ?

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Pete.Kuan   2/12/2013 1:34:11 PM
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ARM is an open mind company, they are willing to provide all knowledge to any customers. Compared to ARM, Intel is a miser.They used all kinds of political issues to prevent others to share their apple. In the PC era stage, they successfully kick out all competitors. But its drawback is obviously showing up at mobile phone time. This is the bittermelon Intel must pay now.

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kjdsfkjdshfkdshfvc   2/12/2013 4:07:37 PM
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Intel is gonna nail it. http://bit.ly/dI3hcF

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