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Altera tips plans for 20, 14nm FPGAs in 2014

6/10/2013 12:00 PM EDT
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rick merritt
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rick merritt   6/10/2013 3:11:28 PM
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My question to the EE community is whether the bump Altera will get with Intel 14nm for Stratix 10 is enough to compel you to switch to its high-end FPGAs?

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chipmonk0   6/10/2013 3:40:13 PM
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Would 3-D stacking of chips be really necessary for Altera at 14 nm from Intel - unless they decide to put SERDES on separate chips ? In that case who would stick / stack them together ? Intel / OSATs ?

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Max The Magnificent   6/10/2013 4:49:24 PM
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They're also talking about putting stuff like memory on separate die in the 3D stack/package

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rick merritt   6/10/2013 10:15:16 PM
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Exactly, and those memory chips may not WANT 14nm costs.

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chipmonk0   6/11/2013 4:59:20 PM
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How much SRAM ( probably 14 nm won't hurt ) and DRAM ( 2x nm ? ) are they aiming for ? Any idea ?

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rick merritt   6/12/2013 1:25:04 AM
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They are not saying. Xilinx has been more vocal on this front http://confidential.eetimes.com/news-updates/4230167/Xilinx-Pioneers-Uncertain-Future-for-Chip-Stacking Although Huawei did talk about what it is doing with Altera http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4401446/Huawei--Altera-mix-FPGA--memory-in-2-5-D-device

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Hyperdude   6/11/2013 4:06:21 AM
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There was no processor mentioned for the 14nm part. Is that an SOC or plain vanilla FPGA? What happened to their current generation of products? It would be interesting to see how the 20nm part got its performance boost compared to the current gen SOC. I think their current gen ARM is ~1GHz and they claim 1.5GHz for the 20nm part. You have to do some custom layout to get 50% gain.

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scanman   6/13/2013 5:09:40 PM
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Will ARM allow Altera fab its core in Intel fab??

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mranderson   6/11/2013 4:49:37 PM
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I think Altera has put themselves into a really good position recently in terms of future hardware and their existing software. A lot of people are interested in these new parts despite the costs. It is much easier to design and implement a board with one fpga than to have to use multiple fpgas. Altera's main competitor is Xilinx, not these other companies. Altera using Intel fabs is a big deal.

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Hermann C   6/11/2013 5:19:37 PM
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Altera talked about 2X performance gain or 70% lower power at same performance (vs 28nm). If true, sounds like they use Intel's uPC process for max performance boost. Won't be surprised finding Intel processor embedded later.

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rick merritt   6/12/2013 1:26:28 AM
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Altera is not saying what processor it will embed at 14nm with Stratix 10. I am guessing it might be a 64-bit ARM.

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kjdsfkjdshfkdshfvc   6/12/2013 3:32:55 PM
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Sounds promising. http://bit.ly/IC4m9t

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resistion   6/14/2013 7:19:07 AM
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Looking at Intel Lg from 45 nm to 22 nm, not much scaling or shrinking going on. In fact, Lg exceeds node at 22 nm. Would be curious what it would be for 14 nm or 10 nm.

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