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2/7/2011 04:44 PM EST
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docdivakar   2/7/2011 9:07:40 PM
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@Bruce Rayner: good article, very timely and informative. Looking at the chart of top-5 CO2 emitters, India is quite low when compared to the emissions from US whose population is nearly 1/4th of India's whereas the emissions are nearly five fold. By that token, it is easy to see why China officials would argue against CO2 caps while their emission is 1/3rd of USA, adjusted for percapita. In spite of the above, it is quite admirable to see China galloping ahead in its progress for green energy. The Chinese government clearly sees beyond the environmental concerns as the motivators to get ahead. It is the business opportunity in the green economy where many western 'green' economy businesses would founder if it weren't for the government subsidies. The Chinese solar businesses are already getting closer to 1$/watt metric for the solar and it wouldn't surprise me if they break that barrier to the low side within the next five years. Dr. MP Divakar

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Roy H   2/7/2011 9:59:34 PM
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China is the only country researching LFTRs. Liquid Flouride Thoroium Reactors were invented by ONLR in the 1960s and is proven technology. Needs some refinement mostly in long lasting materials. LFTRs should be much cheaper to build than conventional LWRs and Thorium is cheap and abundant. LFTRs are much more efficient and produce pratically no radio-active waste, and that little amount decays in 300 years instead of 10000. See: www.energyfromthorium.com When China perfects this, we will be able to buy them and solve our energy problems.

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pixies   2/7/2011 11:01:00 PM
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Nuclear reactors will not solve our problem. According to Nathan Lewis, if the world were to rely entirely on nuclear energy, we would be building 2 reactors every day for the next fifty years and by the time we finished these reactors, we would run out of nuclear fuel immediately. That said, China desperately need "clean" energy, just look at the helling skies in most major cities in china you will now why.

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Bruce Rayner   2/8/2011 1:57:12 AM
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I agree that the Chinese are looking beyond the immediate environmental threat to the business opportunities in renewables. And you're right that its the per capita, not the total output of CO2 that the Chinese and India are focusing on. They want to get their's too! And with peak oil around the corner (50 years of petroleum remaining in hard-to-find and high-cost offshore site) thier logic makes perfect sense. Will China dominate? Many say yes, because it has the political will - and a one-party system.

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Bruce Rayner   2/8/2011 2:34:29 AM
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Nuclear is a key technology for China's future domestic energy production. But do you think it's exportable to countries like the US and members of the EU? How about the developing world?

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PHW_#1   2/8/2011 5:35:32 AM
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Anybody ever counted how many jobs have been created for Green development? My current guess is millions from a simple assembly worker to high pay RD engineers. Feed-in-taff is a government sponsored system, same concept across the whole world not China-only program. The subsidy can be used to create an industry in their own country, or just hand over the whole industry to China eventually. If the politician can just learn from China, we will find our money is not used on social welfare for unemployment but to create millions of jobs for an industry.

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Sheeptrik   2/8/2011 9:18:44 AM
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Hi, my comment on al this is verry simpel ! As long as, (special the west Europeen) governments depent from taxes comming from oil products they don't gona promote the EV's and renuable energy scources ! Only people like me (and?)shell try to switch over on renuable energy and EV's. Again, the investments in time and money has to comme from the simple man like always !!

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Stan.Cehonski   2/8/2011 2:56:06 PM
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While this is an interesting article I have to ask: What is wrong with CO2? Aren't you exhaling it right now? Don't plants use it for food? Hasn't it been around forever? The emperor has no clothes. To go along with this you need to believe ALL of the following: 1.) The planet is warming(there is some debate) 2.) It is caused by man's CO2 emissions.(Some data shows CO2 lags temp rise) 3.) The results will be catastrophic.(Do we know what the proper temperature is?) 4.) We can do something about it. (Even the GW folks admit that massive changes in emissions will do very little) There. I feel better. :)

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pixies   2/8/2011 3:13:31 PM
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Stan: So what you are saying is that since we are going to hell in a hand basket we should just close our eyes and enjoy the ride? It is global climate change, not just global warming, just turn on weather channel you have to admit the global climate is messed up. Actually since human has so much impact on almost all aspects of the environment, it is hard to believe the CO2 produced by human has no impact on the environment. Also, we you are peddling here is beside the point, China needs to clean up not because of CO2, just look at the the skies in China and take a deep breath you will understand the power of human being (in screwing up the environment.)

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Bruce Rayner   2/8/2011 5:26:18 PM
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You can believe what you like about the merits or dangers of CO2 but you can't deny that China is moving full steam ahead to build an industrial sector to develop and manufacture a variety of renewable energy technologies. An industry that has the potential to dominate world markets.

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