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4/26/2012 03:59 PM EDT
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Mxv
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Mxv   5/1/2012 12:11:44 AM
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Why would they bother with Achronix. They would have to relearn RTL development as Achronix forces a new methodology on the designer in order to get performance. No FSMs allowed. Besides, Intel can just fab their own test chips, why bother with FPGA emulation?

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Mxv   5/1/2012 12:06:41 AM
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Couple of reasons not to get too excited: 1) Intel's using Achronix as a guinea pig for their process technology. There's no monetary investment from Intel in Achronix. So if Achronix fails, don't look for Intel to bail them out. 2) Achronix is a tiny company. They're charging mucho $$$ to get into their early access program (i.e customers pay to be guinea pigs for Achronix). GA is not until next year -- but based on their track record -- more like 2014. 3) You have to pay extra (a lot extra) to use their hard IP. Basically all the SERDES, Memory and PCI interfaces are hard IP. So just to use the chip normally you have to pony up big $$$. Not to mention you could by a nice server for the price of the chips themselves. 4) Their programming model doesn't allow for feedback loops if you want the high performance. Guess what a Finite State Machine is? This company has gotten a lot of attention from the Intel deal, but it's a dud as a viable FPGA company.

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pinhead1   4/30/2012 5:33:00 PM
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"word on the street" was that Intel's ground rules are pretty conservative since they basically only make microprocessors. And FinFETs can't help that much. And if the process technology is *truly* that superior, you have eliminated any possibility of a second source, ever. So I'm not sure it's so clear cut to use Intel as a foundry. But I'm just an engineer, we don't usually get to make decisions, just have to execute on them.

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alex_m1   4/29/2012 10:23:27 PM
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“assuming Spacetime works,” :) Does anybody worked with the tabula fpga device? or know someone that did? how do they stand on their claims?

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resistion   4/29/2012 2:11:07 PM
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I guess Intel made all its Achronix chips for a while. No reason to add more Ivy Bridge delays :)

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KB3001   4/29/2012 9:21:46 AM
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Intel is using Achronix to tune their new processes - what better than a relatively homogeneous circuit architecture, no pressure on volumes, and someone to pay you to do that?? I am sure Achronix know that and they are going along with it for the reasons mentioned in the article. If their gamble pays off, happy days, if it does not, well they've live in the limelight for a while...

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KB3001   4/29/2012 9:16:25 AM
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Achronix technology is based on asynchronous logic...

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daleste   4/28/2012 7:32:52 PM
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From Acronix's point of view the pros would definitely outweigh the cons. They get access to Intel's technology and support. They also have a potential exit strategy if Intel ever decides to acquire them. For Intel, they get to increase their fab utilization and increase their diversification. The con for Acronix would be that Intel could increase their wafer cycle time if the fab becomes full. Mostly I would say that it is a win-win for all except TSMC.

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resistion   4/28/2012 3:21:26 PM
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Actually a low-volume case like Achronix could screw up the smooth wafer flow in the affected fab, with dedicated wafers and masks. Intel's fabs run smoothly in the context of high volumes, i.e., wafers containing many identical dies, not mixtures of limited number dies.

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wilber_xbox   4/27/2012 1:23:50 PM
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Intel PR machine is so strong and aligned that so much positive publicity is going on.

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