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11/6/2012 02:41 PM EST
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krisi
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krisi   11/6/2012 4:12:14 PM
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If ARM and others pay $450M this is the real acquisition, the $60M that Imagination paid was to get engineering force

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markhahn0   11/6/2012 5:09:09 PM
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a bit ignominious, given the historic importance of MIPS as an architecture. not to mention the irony of MIPS being at the core of China's "domestic" supercomputing chips...

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junko.yoshida   11/6/2012 5:20:05 PM
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We are fully aware of MIPS' China factor involved here. We need to hear from Imagination in regards to their plan.

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rick merritt   11/6/2012 5:17:29 PM
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Clearly the market values the MIPS patents more than the products. I am guessing on-going patent royalties from Broadcom, Cavium and all other licensees will go to ARM/Bridge group, not Imagination. I wonder if Imagination will continue its own fledgling CPU architecture and MIPS or kill one of the two.

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DSteer   11/6/2012 5:35:43 PM
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MIPS has some very strong patents on multi-threading. Getting those out of harms-way is a very shrewd move by ARM.

krisi
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krisi   11/6/2012 7:17:51 PM
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I think they will kill Mips

junko.yoshida
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junko.yoshida   11/6/2012 8:46:40 PM
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According to Imagination, that is NOT the case. I will be posting a follow-up anaysis piece shortly. But in a nut shell, Imagination CEO made it very clear during the conference call that his company will move the MIPS architecture "go forward."

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TarraTarra!   11/7/2012 7:47:50 PM
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Sure that is what they would say but what is the long term viability of that approach. If MIPs could not survive on its own how will imagination push MIPS designs? I think this is a short term strategy to continue supporting existing customers so they don't get sued by them for violating support contracts.

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junko.yoshida   11/6/2012 8:45:09 PM
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Rick, I added a few updates to the story above, after the Imagination/MIPS conference call. MIPS patent royalties will NOT go to the consortium, but to Imagination.

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tangey   11/6/2012 10:26:45 PM
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The article specifically says: "Once the Imagination-MIPS deal is completed, MIPS royalties will go to Imagination, not to AST"

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bordersboy   11/6/2012 5:32:19 PM
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So when do Apple find themselves being sued for infringement. Without doubt they will infringe somewhere in their processors. the shoe will be on the other foot then........

junko.yoshida
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junko.yoshida   11/6/2012 5:48:36 PM
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It's not clear at this point if Apple is part of the AST. This has not been confirmed.

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tangey   11/6/2012 10:28:42 PM
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How can apple get sued when the entire ip is licensed from ARM, and their main graphics processor supplier inww owns MIPS

rick merritt
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rick merritt   11/6/2012 7:52:02 PM
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Clearly the merger gives ARM a little more competition as the game increasingly shifts to supplying a full suite of SoC blocks. Imagination will gain leverage selling graphics and other cores into set-tops where MIPS is strong and Imagination could help MIPS gain more traction in mobile.

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pkandel   11/6/2012 11:03:07 PM
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My guess is that Imagination will cherry-pick useful features from its Meta products, which actually share some similarities with MIPS, and include them in MIPS CPUs.

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junko.yoshida   11/6/2012 11:33:19 PM
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Imagination CEO also talked about a lot of similarities between its Meta CPU and that of MIPS. The follow-up analysis story, discussing the promise by Imagination that it won't kill MIPS, is posted here: http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4400720/Imagination-won-t-kill-MIPS--it-s-ready-for-CPU-war

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DrDave   11/7/2012 6:12:48 PM
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I wonder where Microchip fits in to this given their PIC32 is MIPS based?

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junko.yoshida   11/7/2012 7:59:19 PM
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I don't expect anything to change. As Imagination stressed during the call, the company will continue to support all the MIPS licensees. At least, that's my understanding.

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krisi   11/7/2012 11:19:53 PM
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Well, what else could they say? We bought this biz and we will kill it now??? Large number of companies in the last 20 years said that will keep the technology but quietly or not so quietly killed it later on

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junko.yoshida   11/7/2012 11:50:12 PM
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Very true. I like your skepticism! That said, I think there may be legitimate reasons why Imagination may want to keep MIPS. See my other story on the site, entitled "Imagination won't kill MIPS."

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neilrieck   11/11/2012 2:47:24 PM
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Most non-engineering people today will be surprised to learn that ARM (Advanced RISC Machine) is a design spec out of Britain. This spec was a follow-on to simpler architectures like 6800 from Motorola and 6502 from MOS Technology. While some people considered these chips "CISC", by other definitions (like single instruction per clock) they were actually "RISC" which is why they seemed so powerful in early personal computers like the Commodore PET and the Apple 2. But these inexpensive chips did complicated things (like floating point) in software and so American companies pushed for CISC-like successors already found in American minicomputers like HP-3000, System-36, PDP-11 and VAX. We really see this CISC-thing get out of control with chips like Intel's Pentium line where streaming architectures (MMX, SSE, SSE2, etc.) do DSP under the acronym of SIMD (single instruction, multiple data). It was at this time you saw some American companies switch back to expensive "pure RISC" chips like SPARC (SUN), PA-RISC (HP), Alpha (DEC, developed after doing business with MIPS), POWER (IBM). Why? Because computing professionals already knew that RISC actually meant "Relegate Important Stuff to Compiler". The expensive RISC chips all died for one reason or another leaving the ARM design being the only one standing when companies wanted to expand from phones to smart-phones and pads. I find it slightly amusing that more of this technology is moving from the cowboy culture of America back to a more business-like culture of Britain.

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GeorgeHaber   11/12/2012 7:10:47 PM
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This is Sad story with an Unexpected Ending, Please let me describe why. Why Sad: Nowadays the Semiconductor industry entered the efficiency phase and Power Efficiency is one of the most important asset. MIPS and SPARC ware the pioneers of RISC architecture. RISC Architecture in average uses a bit less power to execute an instruction. So RISC processor’s using the same technology and same level of compiler will use a bit less power. More’s Law has given us the ability to put more (switches) transistors in the same area and better architectures both for the instruction set and for the power saving are giving us the ability to use those transistors (switches). The problem of MIPS in my opinion stems from the focus on markets (Workstations, TV SOC, MPEG, STB’s wireless routers and switches) where they had no sustainable advantage and the Power Efficiency advantage was less important. The lack of focus on Application Processors and Android based mobile devices was what killed MIPS’s growth potential. Why Unexpected: This division of the assets of MIPS looks very unusual and to put it in perspective using World War II comparison looks like Germany (MIPS) being divided between the Soviets and the Western alliance. I would endeavor to guess that ARM and Imagination are looked in a mortal combat to be the IP that will reign supreme in portable devices with ARM also hedging for Data Centers. What say you ??

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HexDigital   11/17/2012 4:30:26 PM
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The battle is not over yet. I remember Apple and Microsoft had a battle before. Every engineer knew that Apple's OS is better than Microsoft then. But MS had larger market share and was popular. So, Apple was almost dead. But, guess what? They resurrected by new innovations and now ...

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