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9/20/2011 07:44 PM EDT
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against_the_stream
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against_the_stream   10/26/2011 6:55:01 AM
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By the way: did anyone notice that IBM Rational provides a first-class integration of ClearCase with Cadence's Virtuoso since March this year? Might be more interesting to review that, rather than arguing about which is the better Perforce integration...

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smcbutler   10/16/2011 10:01:20 PM
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I'm sorry if we're boring you "Bryce" but we do have our facts straight and we have customers to validate it. Anyone that does their homework will find that there is not a single unique feature that IC Manage brings to the table other than their artificial Perforce pricing and an inflexible "their way or the highway" methodology. The IC Manage solution amounts to a series of scripts layered over the top of p4 that have not kept up with the native Perforce functionality. This is evidenced by the fact that todays IC Manage customers are required to use an older version of the p4d server than is available from Perforce for "compatibility" reasons.. Anyway, I'd agree with you on at least one thing - lets let our customers successes and technology do the talking. Hijacking a competitor white paper on EE Times with anonymous "customer" postings is just poor form and frankly a little desperate..

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bryceCM   10/13/2011 6:59:48 PM
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I will repeat my previous statement. Get your facts straight before commenting in public forums. I'm not a shill for IC Manage - just a happy user who siwtched away from DesignSync - and will not be posting or reading anything further on this particular thread because it's become *even* more boring that it was when I first read the article. Yawn.

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smcbutler   10/13/2011 12:48:17 AM
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We engage in regular benchmarks against IC Manage and this is consistently what our customers tell us is an important difference. Generally, all the "improvements" IC Manage claim to add over vanilla Perforce were perhaps valid a few years ago but recent releases of Perforce have removed those differentiators. Commands such as p4replicate, p4broker are native Perforce commands that negate the need for the IC Manage wrappers and have the advantage of being supported by Perforce directly (and at $0 cost). HA/DR is now a trivial configuration with the 2010.2 release of Perforce, there's just no need to buy the (expensive) IC Manage scripts. I'm kind of surprised IC Manage haven't written in to join this lively debate, but I guess they don't need to when they have loyal customers such as Shiv... err, I mean Bryce :)

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bryceCM   10/12/2011 9:35:27 PM
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Mr. Butler, You are clearly misinformed and are continuing to spread disinformation and it does you no credit. We have a single Perforce licensed server with a vanilla Perforce license and we use both Perforce and IC Manage clients in a single depot using the IC Manage Broker technology. We use p4, p4v, Eclipse as well as all the IC Manage tools. Get your facts straight before commenting in public forums. --Bryce

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smcbutler   10/4/2011 8:54:44 AM
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Actually this isn't FUD. IC Manage is a proprietary solution and the standard p4 clients just don't work. Users are required to purchase artificial annual licenses instead of the standard 1-time cost of a Perforce permanent key and and to enforce that IC Manage has disabled the p4 command line interface, the p4v visual client, IDE access, etc. The Methodics approach is to license our client applications on a standard Perforce database. Digital (Verilog) designers can use the standard Perforce interface which means they can work for $0 in the same depots as the Cadence designers on the project. Regarding the Perforce website, Methodics is a full integration partner with Perforce and has been for a number of years. We were listed as level 1 integrators on the website until recently and while its not clear why our listing was removed the cynics amongst us have suggested that it is related to (2) above..

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bryceCM   9/26/2011 9:24:08 PM
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[smcbutler]: the only native interface to Perforce btw This is just FUD. We use IC Manage with a single Perforce server for both our hardware guys and the vanilla Perforce software guys. Seems pretty "native" to me. Anti-FUD: 1) Methodics doesn't even appear on the Perforce web site 2) The founder and president of Perforce is on the IC Manage board

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Max The Magnificent   9/25/2011 7:00:06 PM
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I never metaphor I didn't like :-)

smcbutler
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smcbutler   9/25/2011 3:27:55 PM
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Hi Kent, I believe hardware designers should be taking more advantage of software development methodologies and Agile techniques are a great example of that. This article was discussing our SoC development platform (ProjectIC/BuildIC) but our Cadence interface to Perforce and Subversion (we have the only commercially available interface to Subversion and the only native interface to Perforce btw) includes the ability to include state/progress information as the design. These can then be rolled into Burn-Down charts as part of the ProjectIC project dashboards. I wrote a paper a few years ago discussing software methodologies in a hardware context. This is available at the Methodics website.

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BrianBailey   9/23/2011 9:45:02 PM
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We hope to have an article about Agile for HW design some time in the very near future. Keep your eyes tuned to this dial (How is that for mixing metaphors).

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