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8/13/2013 08:00 AM EDT
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studleylee
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Interesting as a sense-color response mimicing some sealife
studleylee   8/13/2013 1:52:27 PM
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This could be used as a covering that senses and responds like a chamillion, squid, and octopi. As a sense-color response for informataion and visual telemetry.

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Re: Interesting as a sense-color response mimicing some sealife
R_Colin_Johnson   8/13/2013 2:49:54 PM
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That sounds like a very interesting application. Not sure how bright these nanoscale LEDs are, but in big enough arrays they should be able to realize your sense-color response app.

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Sensitivity?
LarryM99   8/13/2013 5:08:05 PM
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Very interesting! Is there any indication of the degree of proportional response, i.e. the sensitivity of the measurement? The resolution and response time are certainly far beyond human touch capabilities. If the proportional response is in the same ballpark as the other specs there should be quite a few possibilities for this technology.

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R_Colin_Johnson   8/13/2013 5:20:05 PM
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The authors claim that light output is directly proportional to the stress on the piezo-material--here zinc oxide, which is know to very sensitive. Also it will work with other piezo-electric materials, so you could probably design a material to meet most engineering needs.

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Re: Sensitivity?
Sheetal.Pandey   8/14/2013 2:10:45 PM
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The only thing that differentiate a human from robot is feeling and emotions. If robots can get that, we are making close to humans, but yes the the way robot would behave must be already programmed. Although humans may behave differently in same situations.

Looking at how robots are being visualized and used in many different applications, it is worthwhile to have them feel.

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JanineLove   8/14/2013 10:47:04 AM
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Not being a specialist in biology, I'm curious about how these specs stack up to human sensitivity: "Wang's team grew 2.7 micron diameter zinc-oxide nanowires into arrays that were able to sense touch with a resolution of 6,300 dots per inch and a switching time of 90 milliseconds." Anyone?

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R_Colin_Johnson   8/14/2013 12:07:30 PM
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The authors claim their prototype offers sensitivity "comparable" to humans plus that next they are improving them by growing even smaller nanowires. However, the big boon for robotics will be their ability to assemble things they can't today. In particular, robots are not good at putting in screws, because their fingers cannot sense when the threads are properly lined up. Robotic skin with built-in touch sensors like these could solve that problem.

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LarryM99   8/14/2013 12:18:37 PM
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I'm no expert on the biology, but 6,300 dpi and 90 millisec are far beyond the specs that I would expect to see if they did the same tests on me. On the other hand, maybe I'm just insensitive and a little on the slow side... :-)

It seems like this could also go beyond robotics. There are other places where a touch-sensitive surface can be used for input. A touchpad for a laptop that could distinguish a user by fingerprints, for example.

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R_Colin_Johnson   8/14/2013 12:24:17 PM
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Right on, Larry. Sensitivity already rivals humans and is only getting better. You are also spot-on regarding applications--robots is just a headline grabber, but any touch enabled application today is a candidate.

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Robot Certification...
Charles.Desassure   8/14/2013 10:19:42 AM
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Very interesting reading.  If this is a big success, robots could be in stores quicker than I imagined.  I still believe that within the next few years a customer will be able to go to a store and buy a robot just like you purchase a computer or other devices.  The cost of the robot will be based on the memory chip, the robots artificial real-like skin that can sense touch, and the robot features.  My only recommendation is that it should be sold in a specialty store and only qualified workers who are trained and know the advantage and disadvantage of what a robot can do.  Some type of certification and training should be required.  Yes, a Robot Certification.  OK engineering executives,   I just gave you a wonderful idea.

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JanineLove   8/14/2013 10:45:46 AM
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There may also be need for certification for owners. I can already hear the horrible/ridiculous liability claims in our litigious society here in the US.

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R_Colin_Johnson   8/14/2013 12:19:51 PM
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Yes, there will definitely need to be user training classes included with general purpose robots, but we will probably see turnkey special purpose robots long before that (like a "cooking" robot whose arms extend from the top of your stove) where just pushing a few buttons will control its behaviors.

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Duane Benson   8/14/2013 1:23:37 PM
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I don't think we'll be able to consider robots to truly be mainstream until they're easy enough to use without a training class. It really needs to be an appliance.

Of course, computers are mainstream and are still challenging enough to a lot of people that training classes would be a big help. But the number of people who operate them without training would indicate that most people would not bother with training for a robot. I think the only reason people get training in cars before getting a license is because the government requires it.

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R_Colin_Johnson   8/14/2013 2:55:18 PM
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You may be right that training should not be necessary. In fact, one trend to take robots mainstream is called "co-robots"--which are supposed to accept instruction from an untrained human who just demonstrates the task while the robot watches. That is one goal, at least, of Obama's National Robotics Initiative:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/08/03/supporting-president-s-national-robotics-initiative

 


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R_Colin_Johnson   8/14/2013 12:16:33 PM
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All of the current robot makers have training programs for operators, although most don't call it certification (for instance, DaVinci surgical robots go to lengths to say its not certification--but I think that is to deflect lawsuits :)

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Zhong video
richbham   8/14/2013 1:35:43 PM
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Zhong Lin Wang explains piezo-phototronics in this SPIE video: http://spie.org/x51504.xml

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