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8/26/2013 06:20 PM EDT
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Caleb Kraft
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Re: How will it compete
Caleb Kraft   8/27/2013 2:37:09 PM
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Gamers already know what it is. They almost don't have to market to them anymore, they can let the game companies do that. Now they have to win over mom and dad, and maybe grandma too. If they can do that, they'll OWN the living room.

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Caleb Kraft   8/27/2013 2:44:48 PM
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yeah, they did seem a bit scattered with this release. to actually be more expensive than the new playstation didn't help at all either. I'm really curious to see how things change as these consoles come into peoples homes. We had previously already established a kind of higherarchy based on price and games where the wii was purchased by fans of nintendo, then people generally chose between xbox and ps3. That decision was often driven based on price. Who knows how it will break down now.

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Caleb Kraft   8/27/2013 2:47:15 PM
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or out the window at their neighbors.

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Re: Kinet--SpyCam
Garcia-Lasheras   8/27/2013 3:08:36 PM
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@Caleb: "that's a good point about the kinect. However, I do know people that still put tape over their laptop cameras!"

A few days ago, I bought an original webcam camera for a Samsung smart TV as a present for my father in law. The device includes a mechanical slider in order to manually cover the camera lens.

I struggled my brain for some minutes before realizing that Samsung has included the mechanism in order to overcome customer resistance to "having a spy cam" in the living room!!

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xwindowsjunkie   8/27/2013 3:35:07 PM
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My laptop has a piece of electrical tap permanently stuck over my built-in spycam.

With as much CPU/GPU power in the XBox1 seems to have, little parasitic programs might be able to operate almost invisibily. That somewhat scares me, post-Snowden-NSA.

There isn't any obvious malware monitoring going on my daughter's X360.  I would hope that the next gen would have something like that.   I would assume that users can buy things off the Internet with credit cards, thereby providing a "monetization incentive" for all the accomplished malware writers in eastern Europe and Asia (and other places as well).

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Re: 363mm^2 is single chip or multiple chips
rick merritt   8/27/2013 4:42:47 PM
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I'll check on the yeild issue with folks at the conference today. They did say it was one of the largest die in consumer electronics--ironically the sort of thing I used to hear from Sony's Ken Kutaragi, Mr. Playstation.

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rick merritt   8/27/2013 4:53:14 PM
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@Weit: I appreciate your techno-biz analysis. What's the GPU core in Sony PS4?

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Re: 363mm^2 is single chip or multiple chips
rick merritt   8/27/2013 6:39:31 PM
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Not surprisingly, Msoft says yields are "on or exceeding expectations"

Can't tell you how many times I've heard that but they make a good case that the chip has 47% cache memory array and a fairly regular graphics core (both repairable) and Nvidia and AMD both make even bigger chips.

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Re: 363mm^2 is single chip or multiple chips
weit   8/27/2013 7:09:00 PM
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@Rick  Thanks for following up with this.

I think their reasoning makes sense, but it might also be the case that the larger chips are found mostly in high-end graphics cards that are much more expensive than the XB1.

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weit   8/27/2013 7:24:20 PM
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The PS4 GPU is also based on AMD Radeon cores. The big difference is the number of compute units: 18 vs 12 of the XB1, hence the roughly 50% difference in raw power (1.8 TFLOPs vs 1.2 TFLOPs) provided that they run on the same clock speed of 800MHz. Keep in mind that these numbers (on the XB1 part) are not official, just educated guesses.

Microsoft recently commented in an interview that they were able to slightly boost the GPU clock speed without thermal issues. Together with the fact that they are now reporting 1.31 TFLOPs in the slides, I think the estimations are not too far from reality.

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