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9/12/2013 10:28 AM EDT
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eewiz
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NFC
eewiz   9/12/2013 10:36:15 AM
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To me the biggest disappointment, is lack of NFC in iPhone 5S. Although other vendors already provide this feature, the mass usage of NFC payments havent taken off due to  Apple not participating.

 

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Caleb Kraft   9/12/2013 11:08:39 AM
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Though the iphone is huge here, china could tip that scale if NFC was accepted widely. It is surprising how much of a difference there is in the market.

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junko.yoshida   9/12/2013 12:29:06 PM
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China is big on NFC. Trials have been taking place in various parts of China; and China Mobile is taking SIM card route to e-wallets.

 


http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=36&doc_id=1266182

 

During my interviews with Chinese companies developing NFC chips last year, I learned:

Compared to NFC-embedded mobile handsets, the SIM card-based proximity payment solution, will cost less and is friendlier to both users and operators. It also promises faster-to-implement e-wallet applications for the masses. "There is no need for consumers to buy a new NFC phone, they can just replace their SIM card," said Min Hao, executive chairman of Quanray Electronics.

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Doug_S   9/12/2013 3:40:44 PM
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I don't think Apple adding NFC would make NFC based payments take off.  NFC is a solution looking for a problem.  Why is tapping your phone against a payment terminal any better than having it communicate via Bluetooth or Wifi?  Either way the payment needs to be authenticated in some manner, simply tapping your phone is so insecure its laughable.

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anon7632755   9/12/2013 5:22:45 PM
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I agree with the assertion that NFC payments is a solution in search of a problem.

Why is NFC necessary?  Is someone is too lazy to pull out and use a credit or debit card?

Please.

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Legacy iPhone 5 pricing
DrQuine   9/12/2013 7:07:30 PM
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While the legacy iPhone 5 models are being discontinued, there are still a few of them in stores. Yesterday at about 2 pm, a price reduction of $100 was announced for the discontinued inventory iPhone 5 phones. That wasn't mentioned in the press conference the day before.

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What is a "liquidmetal"?
pseudoid   9/13/2013 12:23:21 PM
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Since, I just fell to Earth from Mars, I had to do a quick study on this thing called "Liquidmetals" that I had never heard of before; please allow me to copy/paste here for a quick reference:
Liquidmetal and Vitreloy are commercial names of a series of amorphous metal alloys developed by a California Institute of Technology (Caltech) research team and marketed by Liquidmetal Technologies. Liquidmetal alloys combine a number of desirable material features, including high tensile strength, excellent corrosion resistance, very high coefficient of restitution and excellent anti-wearing characteristics, while also being able to be heat-formed in processes similar to thermoplastics. Despite the name, they are not liquid at room temperature.
The alloy was the end result of a research program into amorphous metals carried out at Caltech... These alloys also retain their amorphous [i.e. non-crystalline] structure after repeated re-heating, allowing them to be used in a wide variety of traditional machining processes.
Liquidmetal alloys contain atoms of significantly different sizes. They form a dense mix with low free volume. Unlike crystalline metals, there is no obvious melting point at which viscosity drops suddenly...The viscosity prevents the atoms moving enough to form an ordered lattice, so the material retains its amorphous properties even after being heat-formed... The alloys are also malleable at low temperatures (400 °C or 752 °F for the earliest formulation), and can be molded. The low free volume also results in low shrinkage during cooling. For all of these reasons, Liquidmetal can be formed into complex shapes using processes similar to thermoplastics, which makes Liquidmetal a potential replacement for many applications where plastics would normally be used.  Read more at <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquidmetal>

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Re: What is a "liquidmetal"?
_hm   9/13/2013 5:51:32 PM
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That was very interesting. Thanks for sharing information. What other consumer products employ this technology and does it cost a lot?

 

elctrnx_lyf
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Re: What is a "liquidmetal"?
elctrnx_lyf   9/14/2013 2:49:57 PM
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Is liquid metal something different from the regular PVC or abs plastics?

PHW_#1
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PHW_#1   9/15/2013 9:40:06 PM
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In Asia, majority people use public transportation at least couple times a day and do quick shopping like water/coffee/sanwiches/snackes, paying small bills/parking fee/laundry service ... at convenient stores, at least 2-3 times a day if it is not more. I have to admit I can't live without 7-11 stores nearby these days.  This is espically true for big cities like Hong Kong/Taipei.  Not so many stores accept credit card but they all have its own kind of cash card and its own APP to even give you more promotion on store items when you use the cash card.  you can imagine how many different cards you need in one day. It is not lazy, it is called managing your messy life in a more organized way:-)

iphone is not going to get popular in Asia if they are so many No-No to basic functions.  NFC, wireless earphones...   Not to mention the lousy map. I gave up iphone 6 months ago, basically it can't do what other phones can do, give me a CORRECT map TIMELY.  Google map app is just too slow to catch car's speed, and I am not buying a phone upgrade iPhone5/5S just for such a basic function.  I will buy a phone with true function/capability upgrade not because of their strange business decision.  I don't deserve to suffer for their bad planning.

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