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9/16/2013 11:05 AM EDT
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Matthieu Wipliez
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Re: The event-driven paradigm
Matthieu Wipliez   9/19/2013 5:03:23 AM
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"In practice, designers want a strong modeling and verification language in which you can also design hardware, not a narrow implementation-oriented design language."

Narrow? Or lean? ;-) And I take 'implementation-oriented' as a good quality :-) Anyway, as you say it all boils down to what 'designers want', and it would seem that different designers have different needs; I guess we will discover soon enough those who want C~ and those who don't, this is part of the game :-)

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Peter Clarke   9/19/2013 7:44:01 AM
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By saying "if it is an advantage" I meant to imply that the big commercial EDA vendors are perhaps reluctant to support or build off an open-source language?

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Peter Clarke   9/19/2013 7:48:12 AM
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And as well as being not so keen on an open-source language would people agree that the big EDA companies want to protect what they have which is based on RTL synthesis?

The big EDA firms don't really want higher-level synthesis to suceed as it might be disruptive to their current business models and tools?

That's not my idea but one that was put into my head by an industry veteran well known to EE Times readers.

 

 

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jandecaluwe   9/19/2013 9:04:19 AM
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@Peter said: "By saying "if it is an advantage" I meant to imply that the big commercial EDA vendors are perhaps reluctant to support or build off an open-source language?"

Yes, big EDA still has to embrace open-source, unlike small software companies such as Google :-)

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jandecaluwe   9/19/2013 11:00:23 AM
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@Peter said: "The big EDA firms don't really want higher-level synthesis to suceed as it might be disruptive to their current business models and tools?"

I don't believe in that theory.

The evidence doesn't support it either. EDA companies, also big EDA, have a long history of developing and marketing a whole range of HLS tools, and some are on the market today. That cannot all be window dressing.

I believe that there is a technical reason why HLS has not been as successful as RTL synthesis. The problem with HLS is that, unlike RTL synthesis, it is in general not obvious how to define "correctness" between synthesis input and output. It is therefore not possible in general to assess what the tool is doing exactly.

Some HLS vendors go as far as pushing the problem to the designer. When the HLS flow works, it does so thanks to the tool, otherwise the problem is with the user :-) Such an attitude is unworkable in industrial practice.

The key problem is therefore not design, languages or algorithms. It is verification (as always :-)).

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p_suri   9/23/2013 12:12:51 PM
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interesting...

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