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11/11/2013 08:00 PM EST
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rick merritt
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From the dev con
rick merritt   11/11/2013 8:13:56 PM
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At the devcon: AMD Kaveri ran 1080p game at 31fps; Intel Core i7 4770K + Nvidia GeForce GT 630 combo only gets 12fps --  and Kaveri costs less.

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Will Apple join HSA?
rick merritt   11/11/2013 8:15:22 PM
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AMD will announce a new contributing member to the HSA Foundation this week...will it be Apple? Samsung, Qualcomm and Mediatek already there. Nvidia and Intel still not likely, methinks.

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Re: From the dev con
rick merritt   11/11/2013 8:16:44 PM
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Hewlett-Packard showed a Moonshot server cartridge using four AMD Operton 2150 SoCs with GPUs for desktop hosting.

They said they expect to have other AMD SoC cartridges for telco video transcoding and HPC apps.

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Gondalf   11/12/2013 4:32:15 PM
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I think you can buy a lot less expensive (and powerful) Intel cpu and a little more expensive (and faster) Nvidia card having more game performance....and better drivers :).

 

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rick merritt   11/12/2013 5:11:32 PM
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@Gondalf: Good point. Comparisons can be skewed. However in this case I suspect Kaveri will be a LOT cheaper than pretty much any combo of Intel and Nvidia processors you can find. No?

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TonyTib   11/12/2013 6:47:46 PM
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Yes, that'll probably be true; the most expensive current desktop AMD CPU (the 4 GHz 8 core FX8350) is the same price as the Intel i5-4570 (Haswell, 3.2 GHz quad core).


For desktop use, I recommend saving money on the CPU and putting it into a good SSD; my Samsung 840 Pro really makes my new system fly.

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Next stop, apps
rick merritt   11/11/2013 8:19:21 PM
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AMD is showing good work that differentiates itself from Intel sooo many years after acquiring ATI. But now they need the apps!

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markhahn0   11/17/2013 3:31:18 PM
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No, honestly, their problem is not apps but dates.  AMD has never been able to ship products promptly enough to give them a good position.  For a long time, the theory was that the generation-and-a-half lag behind Intel was due to fabs.  But obviously that excuse is gone.  AFAIKT, AMD just has a culture of accepting bare survival as their normal mode.  Occasionally one part of the company will pull ahead (say, GPUs for 6 months, or CPUs.)  They never manage to build on their temporary advantages, though, and so stay permanently as a token competitor.

Kaveri looks interesting, but if they're delaying it with software as an excuse, they're fooling themselves in the usual way.  Software, largely, takes care of itself, but AMD's always playing stopgap with hardware, and they just can't seem to fix that.  Kaveri should be out now (Richland was the pointless stopgap that didn't stop anything.)  If it were, AMD would be able to talk about the virtues of HSA, would be able to generate papers showing eg that tight integration and coherency between CPU and GPU enable something new.  As it is, AMD is once again saying "trust us, what you get in 6 months will be great!".

AMD has too much belief that it's worth the wait.  Intel must love this, since it means they don't have to sweat, can drive the ISA agenda and control the whole market, and yet can claim to have competition.

Grit and perserverence are wonderful attributes, but at some point AMD becomes irrelevant (perhaps already passed.)

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