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11/18/2013 02:34 PM EST
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rhfishiii
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Congrats to Micron
rhfishiii   11/25/2013 4:43:47 PM
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This could be a hugely important product for Micron. If they can execute smartly, every cellphone and tablet will have at least one Automata Processor for image and speech recognition. Eventually every robot will have dozens.

From our related work we learned that building logic on DRAM processes is really really cheap. The AP should have a cost of around $2.

A number of WEB commenters have mentioned Venray's CPUs on DRAM. We are doing Big Data analitics for really large datasets. Despite some headlines, this is not what Micron is doing.

The Automata Processor is really first rate innovation. We applaud their efforts.

Russell Fish III, Venray Technology, CTO

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Re: Intel will use memory in package
R_Colin_Johnson   11/20/2013 10:48:53 AM
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@rick merritt Intel said it will use memory in package for its Knights Landing, the next version of Xeon Phi. It it not saying which technique or how much

Intel is saying that the memory die will be alongside the Xeon Phi--so its not going to be 3-D--and the connection will be high-bandwidth and customizable.

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Re: Intel will use memory in package
daleste   11/19/2013 10:17:00 PM
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I always wanted a super computer just so I wouldn't have to wait so long to get what I wanted done.  The problem with today's computers is that they spend too much bandwidth on things the user doesn't care about.  It is a software problem for me.  I know that there are many things that need a super computer, but they should also concentrate on the task and not on all the background things that computers do that are not useful.

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Intel will use memory in package
rick merritt   11/19/2013 7:34:44 PM
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At the SC13 event today, Intel said it will use memory in package for its Knights Landing, the next version of Xeon Phi. It it not saying which technique or how much, but it will support multiple programming models.

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Re: Sounds great.
alex_m1   11/19/2013 6:54:03 PM
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Part of the reason they are goign into this are memristors. They are going to anounce a memristor chip and memristors are supposed to fit very well mixing memory and logic. So Mircon wants an early start.

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Re: new for Micron?
xprmntl   11/19/2013 6:49:04 PM
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Check out the link to the Press Release in the article, it has a link to the relevant paper on the technology. It's DRAM, not PCRAM.

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Sounds great.
alex_m1   11/19/2013 6:40:09 PM
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Their chip is a parallel "non determinstic finite automata" .They claim that this model has been shown usefull in biology, network security , image processing and text search.

It's a memory rich architecture, and they implement it on a DRAM process, so hooray for venray technologies :)

In their estimates , they look on a test called the snort test. They think it will take 9 LX220 FPGA chips to implement it, versus a single automata chip which will take around 1/9 of the power.

Also they put 8 automata chips on a DIMM, Which teaches us something about the die size - probably smaller than FPGA.

 

papers at: http://www.micron.com/about/innovations/automata-processing

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Deja Vu
HankWalker   11/19/2013 4:42:06 PM
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As was mentioned, this idea is old. Logic-in-memory architectures, e.g. PEPE, were around in the 1970s, the idea of putting processors on DRAM chips as well. The practical issues include the few metal layers and DRAM transistors optimized for yield, not speed, and the resulting SIMD-style architectures being difficult to program for most applications. I would vote for TSV 3-D packaging being an easier way to go. Take one of Micron's forthcoming DRAM stacks and stick it on a processor array chip.

 

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Re: new for Micron?
krisi   11/19/2013 10:50:41 AM
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People have been working on parallel computing for a while...with not that much to show for it despite using multiple cores in many processing products...any indication why the tsunami you are refering to will happen? Kris

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Re: new for Micron?
DrFPGA   11/19/2013 10:19:45 AM
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Software will be a key enabler, you are correct. Lots of work has been done on creating algorithms that take advantage of massive numbers of processors and now with multiple serious entrants to this segment expect significant software advances too. Could be that the next wave of programmable logic coming at us is actually a massivly parallel tsunami...

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