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2/12/2014 02:08 PM EST
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Sheetal.Pandey
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Re: I'm hungry for details
Sheetal.Pandey   2/25/2014 2:18:14 PM
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Google should be careful in getting into chip design as its not their forte. They good with software and think twice before getting so selective in hardware business. In hardware business losses are huge.

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alex_m1   2/22/2014 8:57:20 PM
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this might be what Google is.working on: web.media.mit.edu/~bates/Summary_files/BatesTalk.pdf‎ http://www.bdti.com/InsideDSP/2013/10/23/SingularComputing

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Some problems may need it
hazydave   2/20/2014 4:08:23 PM
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If you look at high end blades in some big database systems, they're combining off-the-shelf multi-core x86 chips with FPGA-based hardware to accelerate distributed database processing. Google is bound to have problems that can be solved in a similar fashion. 

But they're also really big, and the cost, in parts, power, and speed limits, of FPGAs may be suggesting that custom silicon is the answer. And that kind of thing gets even more interesting if you build it into your CPUs, saving power, eliminating any bus or communications bottlenecks between the two processor areas, etc. 

Or maybe it's just plain old ARM chips they can buy from multiple sources. 

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Re: google's universe is so big already...
AZskibum   2/15/2014 10:28:16 AM
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If you consider all the things Google is investing in besides their bread & butter search & data centers, there are lots of reasons for them to have an in-house IC design organization. I agree, this small team is just the tip of the iceberg.

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Apple & Google are now like the Mainframe Co.s of the '50s & '60s
chipmonk0   2/14/2014 5:25:19 PM
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monopoly / giants who design processors in-house to optimize for their proprietary algorithms. only they are cleverer, won't get bogged down running their own Fabs.

and then along comes a micro-processor or its next equivalent and the shake-out starts all over again.

There will always be some new innovator ready to throw the hammer ( as in Apple's 1984 commercial ) and shatter the status quo monopoly.

 

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Re: One or Two IC Guys...
zewde yeraswork   2/14/2014 9:41:13 AM
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It's those deep learning algrotihms that could take Google into the future with AI and all that comes with it. They already use a broad range of algorithms for their searches. Now with DeepMind and with parallel processing cores, possibly running on silicon that they themselves make, the sky is the limit.

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Re: One or Two IC Guys...
alex_m1   2/13/2014 6:51:57 PM
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@rick I don't think you can accelerate mapreduce much, only the operations it does which change by application.

Google uses a variety of algorithms for search. Some of those are machine learning and esp. deep learning algorithms which are quite new and are kinf of breakthrought articial intelligence. For those ASIC's could become cheaper and lower power than GPU's , see [1]. Those same algorithms are also usefull/critical in glass, robots,phones and other places that require AI.

Another option cache server(memcached) acceleration. recently FPGA's shown great promise , and asic could do better.

There are also other search algorithms that could benefit, but accelerating those throught hardware is quite an old idea(and one could use FPGA/GPU) ,so we should ask why now ?


[1]http://www.technologyreview.com/news/523181/an-ai-chip-to-help-computers-understand-images/

 

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Re: google's universe is so big already...
markwrob   2/13/2014 5:54:58 PM
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@Rick,

Right, it could serve many masters there.  And like others have suggested, Google's group might best be used to set up the architectures (HW,FW,SW) and then partner with providers to implement their visions.  Some of those could be proofs of concept, others released as open source, others kept as proprietary though I think the last segment would be small.  The more Google can get their ideas used by the world (thus building scale and driving down costs), the more ads they can sell into the world.

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Re: AI , computer vision chips , or just via based asic.
rick merritt   2/13/2014 4:43:24 PM
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@Jim McG: Indeed, Intel said last year they are doing custom bins and firmware spins for large (read: data center) customers.

Anyone heard of Intel or AMD contracting to do a full metal spin for a, say, Google or Amazon?

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Re: google's universe is so big already...
rick merritt   2/13/2014 4:41:22 PM
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@MarkwRob: You suggest a sort of corporate IC group that could serve many masters from Project Glass to data center networking. Hmmmmmmm.

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