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3/17/2014 10:15 AM EDT
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CTHP
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Re: Command and Control
CTHP   3/17/2014 7:08:24 PM
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As a standlone aircraft subsystem, wouldn't the FDR have a dedicated fuse on the flight engineers panel that would allow power to be cut in case of over-current, and secondarily to simply disable it? 

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The MicroMan   3/17/2014 7:51:28 PM
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Turning off a transponder because somebody's screen is too cluttered with data would be just plain stupid.  You just filter what is displayed at the moment. 

I'm thinking we might prefer that a drone captured by the Soviets would somehow loose its memory so we could say "what drone? We've been looking for that wayward boy! Wow, what gas mileage!" rather than "see, here it burst out its photos back to DC..."

In a civi aircraft it might be good to have cockpit recordings (voice, position, data, system...) that can't be turned off, even by personnel - or loss of primary electricity.

These articles are pretty thin on info.  Even the ever-thorough CNN was showing ACARS transmitting every 30 minutes. Seems there was an old Black Box "teardown" at ESC (remember ESC?) five years ago (admittedly, it was a pretty old box).

I think what we need right now is that black box from "2001: A Space Odyssey" to beacon out where it is.

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Etmax   3/18/2014 10:01:32 AM
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Hi Janine, is it the flight data recorder or the beacon/telemetry radios that was turned off or maybe even the ID transponder? To my mind the ID transponder shouldn't be able to be switched off because that's what decides if you get blown out of the sky or not I would have thought. I think this incident as regrettable as it is may bring about some real changes in the way commercial airlines are instrumented. I'd like to see the GPS data sent to satellite on all comercial planes over 1-2 ton and without an on/off switch, ie. it should be on as soon as the plane leaves the ground. If that data were transmitted (ID, Lat, Long) every minute, it wouldn't break the bank and we wouldn't be wondering where that plane is.

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Etmax   3/18/2014 10:03:59 AM
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Yes but there is a big difference between tuyrning off the display (I understand your reasoning here) of the transponder and its signal to the outside world.

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Andy_I   3/18/2014 2:51:59 PM
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"The only reason I can think of to stop transmitting data is if flying over hostile territory."

How about while it is on the ground, not flying anywhere?  Think a few hundred planes parked at a terminal or hangar, all transmitting, all the time.  That's why they have switches.

I doubt a COMMERCIAL airliner would turn off a transponder because of flying over hostile territory.  If the land you are over is so hostile, you wouldn't be flying over it.

 

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Teardown video
jdesbonnet   3/22/2014 1:32:58 PM
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Mike Harrison has a really good teardown video of a Flight Data Recorder on his YouTube channel 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQehX0rVYuY

Other really great teardown videos there also... 

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