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How tariffs hurt Brazil
8/26/2014 03:20 PM EDT
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betajet
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Re: Protectionism
betajet   9/1/2014 6:26:52 PM
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Max wrote: [MadDog] also said that he had been talking with folks like Raspberry Pi and BeagleBone along these lines with no success...

I'm not surprised about Raspberry Pi, but BeagleBone is open-source hardware and anyone should be able to clone it.  I believe that to use the BeagleBone name there are some additional requirements.  Here's an example of a BeagleBone Black clone:

www.element14.com/community/thread/32265/l/another-manufacturer-for-bbb

Addendum: Also, the BeagleBone Tech Refs are licensed under Create Commons BY-SA, so anyone is free to translate them into another language provided they keep the BY-SA license so others will be able to do the same.

 

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Re: Protectionism
David Ashton   9/1/2014 4:46:46 PM
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@Max...QED.  If Brazil can develop its own home grown solution, good luck to them.  If R-Pi and Beagle refuse to think outside the box, they mustn't whinge about protectionism.   VW did ok there, so there is no excuse.

There are obviously some caveats - a lot of companies that exported technology to China just had their technology hijacked.   But Brazil is a different kettle of fish. It's not as big and would be much more hurt if they did not stick to an agreement about royalties etc.

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Re: Protectionism
Max The Magnificent   9/1/2014 4:36:40 PM
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@david: ...but if it could be licenced for production in Brazil, with enough royalites to let R-Pi do some quality control and make a bit of money on it, what's wrong with that?

I don't think there's anything wrong with that -- but I was there for MadDog's presentation and he also said that he had been talking with folks like Raspberry Pi and BeagleBone along these lines with no success...

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Protectionism
David Ashton   9/1/2014 4:26:01 PM
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A lot of posters are knocking Brazil for its stance here.  But what about the west?  Why could they not licence local production of the R-Pi?  Look at the VW Beetle, and other vehicles - millions were produced in Brazil very successfully.  Wikipedia tells me "The Volkswagen assembly plant in Brazil was established after the Brazilian government prohibited the import of fully built-up vehicles in 1953".  Some 20 million vehicles have been produced, many adapted to Brazilian conditions.

Whether the R-Pi could be considered an input or a finished product is a question, but if it could be licenced for production in Brazil, with enough royalties to let R-Pi do some quality control and make a bit of money on it, what's wrong with that?  R-Pi would still do OK, and Brazil would develop expertise and jobs and boost their economy.  Win-Win.

So many "Free Trade Agreements" end up being very one-sided and only benefiting one of the "partners".  The other one just ends up exporting jobs and part of their economy.  Australia is doing some very silly things that way at the moment.  "We'll let your stuff in free, and you'll reduce your tariffs on our stuff from 90% to 25%?  OK....."  That's just stupid.

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Re: Restiictions are good for economy
rich.pell   9/1/2014 10:33:52 AM
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"That is exptrapolating things to the far extreme."

But the same basic principles apply.

"The developed countries do not want the developing nations to come to their level and that is why such attempts by developing nations are not liked by them ... the developing nations would exercise their right to get free from the economic shackles."

Such attitudes certainly feed into the "trade war" mentality that leads to countries shooting themselves in the feet in the name of protecting local industries. Unfortunately the effects on a country's overall economy (and specifically its consumers, who bear the brunt of such policies) are rarely considered - or are ignored - as they are not so immediately visible.

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Re: Restiictions are good for economy
prabhakar_deosthali   8/31/2014 2:20:17 AM
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 @Rich  "The equivalent policies taken down to the individual level would be a recipe for returning to the Stone Age"

That is exptrapolating  things to the far extreme.

The developed countries do not want the developing nations to come to their level and that is why such attempts by developing nations are not liked by them.

But, I am sure ,  the things will change for sure and the developing nations would exercise their right to get free from the economic shackles.

rich.pell
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Re: Restiictions are good for economy
rich.pell   8/30/2014 9:29:38 AM
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"I do not think that these are bad economic policies. In the long term they spell economic freedom."

By this same logic every country (and city and state etc.) should ban imports in order to force local economies to develop and produce their own products and technologies in the name of "self independence" and the promise of some unspecified future "economic freedom."  The equivalent policies taken down to the individual level would be a recipe for returning to the Stone Age.

prabhakar_deosthali
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Re: Restiictions are good for economy
prabhakar_deosthali   8/30/2014 3:57:50 AM
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I do not think that these are bad economic policies. In the long term they spell economic freedom. Countries like India have shown that there is no dearth of local talent and with government support in terms of policies and the financial assistance each country can become self independent in technology.

Rcenetly India's prime minister has announce policy to promote local manufacturing of defence equipmement for which currently thousands of millions of dollars are spent on importing such equipment from the developing countries.

Most developed countries have tried to cash in on the already developed technologies to rake in huge profits from the developing countries

rich.pell
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Re: Restiictions are good for economy
rich.pell   8/29/2014 10:10:05 AM
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"In my opinion such restrictions are good for developing economies. They promote innovation, use of local talent and local resources."

They sound more like bad economic policies that promote inefficiency and lower quality/quantity of goods. Reinventing the wheel (or making it yourself) when you could produce or buy it for less elsewhere does not sound like innovation or an optimal use of local resources.

prabhakar_deosthali
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Restiictions are good for economy
prabhakar_deosthali   8/29/2014 6:57:56 AM
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In my opinion such restrcitions are good for developing economies.

They promote innovation, use of local talent and local resources.

India would not have developed its own super computer if there were no restrcitions on importing one from US.

The well known institute CDAC came into existance just because some Indian dreamt of not depending upon the developed countries for the latest technology.

 

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