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Royalty-free codec expected in 2017
6/30/2016 00:01 AM EDT
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stann
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Re: VP10 is unlikely to be royalty free
stann   7/3/2016 11:11:38 PM
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WebM / VP9 isn't any more vulnerable to a submarine-patent suit than AVC,  HEVC, etc.  The MPEG-LA will sell you a license to the patents they cover, but they do NOT claim to posses all essential patents needed to implement those codecs, and they will NOT take any responsibility if you are sued for patents MPEG-LA didn't license. 

Plus, Google is a 900-lbs gorrilla who has shown they are willing to go to court to defend the libre status of their video codecs, and they extensively use their own codecs on YouTube so they are the prime target and the one with the most to lose from submarine patents, while MPEG-LA has NO skin in the game and will never help you.

VPx codecs have been around for DECADES.  On2 was making good money selling them.  VP3 was open source for all to see, and VP8 and VP9 have been out there for years, now, too.  Safe to say it's a 1000% certainty that there are no *valid* patents covering any of the methods used (their stated intention when developing it) and there's no chance of patent suits.

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Re: SMPTE Reference
rick merritt   7/1/2016 7:21:20 PM
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Hi mikeiz

The hyperlink was intended to go to the SMPTE overall site for those not familiar with the group.

The <25% improvement came from the talks by Google on VP-10 to date and by Microsoft the new ISO codec work to date as analyzed in February by the first chart at in the story.

The <25% figure does not reflect any work on the x264/5 codecs you referenced which speakers did not directly discuss. I have no information on them but feel free to provide some here!

--Rick

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SMPTE Reference
mikeiz   7/1/2016 11:29:36 AM
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The link to the SMPTE reference just goes to SMPTE site and not to an article. Are you referring to the paper by John Pallett in the October 2015 issue of MIJ? His results show an overall improvement for x265 of 45% over x264. Where are you getting 25%??

 

Mike

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Royalty-free older codecs
traneus   6/30/2016 8:17:26 PM
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What about all the EXPIRED patents out there? The patents on old-enough video codecs have expired, so they are free to use. An older standard codec that does not compress as much but is libre, is valuable. The freedom is worth the larger file size.

Remember that the patent office exists to foster the creation of expired patents, to place what might have been trade secrets into the public domain.

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Re: VP10 is unlikely to be royalty free
rick merritt   6/30/2016 6:17:40 PM
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@Doug_S Good point

FWIW I heard one person at the event say just the existance of the VP-8/9 codecs created a ripple that made many patent asserters lower their fees in a way that saved many millions for big companies.

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VP10 is unlikely to be royalty free
Doug_S   6/30/2016 3:36:54 PM
It may not use any patents Google knows about, but there are so many patents out there and the courts interpret them pretty loosely so it is a 1000% certainty it will eventually be hit by multiple patent lawsuits - at least if it starts to take off and looks to be worth the trouble. It is less clear if any of them will be successful, but the uncertainty will keep it away from consideration by many.

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