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Japanese CE giants losing credibility war

Sony electronics shrinking
11/2/2012 09:30 PM EDT
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krisi
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krisi   11/2/2012 11:47:54 PM
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Out of the 3 areas proposed by Panasonic (solar, lithium-ion batteries and appliances) I would only put my money on batteries...solar is effectively dead without government subsidies, solar energy can't compete with natural gas..appliances is modestly growing market and smart appliances are over-hyped...but everyone needs better batteries! electric cars need better lithium-ion ones but it gets bigger if IoT takes off every gadget will need one as well (energy harvesting gets you only so far, actually this is where solar might play a role)

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junko.yoshida   11/4/2012 5:07:40 PM
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You are absolutely correct about Panasonic's lithium-ion battery business. Panasonic is supplying lithium-ion battery cells for Ford Motor Company’s two hybrid and two plug-in hybrid vehicles. So, they are NOT abandoning that part of the lithium-ion battery business and they are rightly seeing future in it.

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Ogemaniac   11/4/2012 11:50:40 PM
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"solar is effectively dead without government subsidies" Wrong. If you eliminate fossil fuel users' right to pollute without compensating the victim, which is a subsidy of over a trillion dollars per year worldwide, then solar would be just fine. Solar cannot compete if it has no subsidies but its competitors do. But that doesn't tell you very much. Basic econ says the way to handle pollution is to force polluters to pay. Until they are required to, markets are using the wrong prices and get the wrong result.

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seaEE   11/3/2012 1:26:51 AM
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I visited Sharp's LCD factory in the early 1990's. At that time they had some of the best LCD technology around. And they had five year plans for where their product lines were going. But what I remember most about the visit was the hospitality and politeness of the people. I'm really hoping to see these companies emerge from their present difficulties and be the vibrant players that they have been in the electronics market.

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me3   11/3/2012 3:01:36 PM
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What to make is one thing, whom to sell to is another. Europe is in trouble, US is slow, and they just picked a fight with the Chinese at this very moment, when they need the Chinese to make it cheap and buy it dear, like Apple is doing.

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Bert22306   11/3/2012 10:35:07 PM
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I thgought Sony did a really smart move when they got into high end digital cameras, adopting the Carl Zeiss T* line of lenses previously used by Kyocera's Contax brand. Actually, I wondered why companies like Kyocera (Contax and Yashica cameras) didn't themselves aggressively get into digital photography, since the tea leaves were pretty clear on that too? So the fact that Sony jumped in seemed smart. And their full size 24 X 36 mm sensors in the top of the line SLRs was superb. The problem MAY be, though, that with cameras now in every cell phone and smart phone, perhaps people have dumbed down to accepting mediocrity, as they have also done with audio. It's a shame, if this is what's keeping Sony camera sales down.

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junko.yoshida   11/4/2012 5:15:17 PM
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Sony did make a great comeback with their high-end digital cameras in the last few years, and lot of photography fans loved them. But that "camera buff" population isn't growing, and even if it did, that market certainly wouldn't be able to make up for the loss of the company's huge TV business.

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Battar   11/5/2012 4:09:05 PM
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Panasonic are also in the high end camera business, using Leica lenses. But it's a fairly small market.

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resistion   11/4/2012 1:54:10 AM
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Panasonic looks like they don't know where to focus.

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sprite0022   11/5/2012 12:30:12 AM
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what's the jobless number of Japan now, anyone? Is japanese folking all switch to fishing now? If moores law dead in 5-10 years this will be the fate of US ppl, I can smell intel, micron, amd ... follow sharp's footsteps.

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Ogemaniac   11/5/2012 2:56:40 AM
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The unemployment rate in Japan is around 5% and it is easy to find low-wage unskilled jobs. Finding a good job, like anywhere else, is difficult, as the large Japanese conglomerates are retrenching and laying people off.

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sprite0022   11/5/2012 3:09:52 AM
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what a pity, for those who owns skill but have to settle for unskilled jobs. what a waste of gifts... can't they regroup like brits did with ARM?

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Andrzej11   11/5/2012 7:00:44 PM
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Whilst Sony's TV unit losses have averaged over a billion dollars per year over the last 8 years and getting out of the TV business may be an economic necessity, I have not heard of any mention from Hirai that Sony was exiting the TV business. In the past Hirai has stated that the TV was the centrepiece of Sony's home ecosystem, and promised to put the TV unit back into the black by March of 2014. Moreover if Sony planned on exiting the TV business, why would it enter into an OLED partnership with Panasonic in June of this year? On Oct. 2 Hirai stated that “Sony has a very deep DNA in creating the best picture and the best sound.” Doesn’t sound like someone who is about to exit the TV business even though the TV unit is on track to lose another billion dollars this year even after further production cuts of 2 million units per year. As for shrinking game console and digital camera sales, Sony, along with many others, is falling victim to the overwhelming success of smart-phones and tablet computers in these spaces.

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junko.yoshida   11/5/2012 7:30:24 PM
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You are absolutely right. None of the Japanese CE vendors will totally "exit" from TV business; but they will eventually shift their model from making everything on their own to sourcing TV sets from someone else and slapping their logos on top of them. (Just like what all PC companies in the U.S. do) I am aware of Sony-Panasonic deal on OLED, but I wouldn't bet on OLED to save either companies' TV business.

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Andrzej11   11/5/2012 8:19:30 PM
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I agree that the Japanese companies will not exit the TV space willingly. In the case of Sharp it may be forced upon them as they teeter on the verge of bankruptcy as they warned investors last week about their serious doubts of being able to continue as a going concern. It would appear that they will become overpriced resellers but this strategy will work only if their brand names continue to carry a significant premium in the marketplace. As for OLED, I agree it won't save their TV business but it will give them the opportunity to lose a few more billion.

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xorbit   11/5/2012 11:32:48 PM
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"Sony’s financial services are generating a better-than-expected profits." That's the saddest part of the whole article. It seems the way the economy is set up, the biggest rewards are for those who just skim money from it instead of adding value to it. It's a sad system when you reward the leeches and punish the doers.

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FDunn3   11/7/2012 12:58:14 AM
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I stopped purchasing anything Sony about 20 years ago when I had a problem with one of their CRT based TVs just out of warranty. Calls and letters to Sony answered the same way "take it to your local Sony Repair Station(SRS), but it is not under warranty.". Fine, so I asked for schematics of the TV to try and repair it myself and was told Sony only supplied those to the SRS's. I chunked the TV and swore off anything Sony from that point on. A couple of years later when the Internet was coming ito it's own I found similar comments there as well. Sony just flat stopped lietening and assisting it's customers because they thought their brand name would carry them through thick and thin. As far as Sharp going to junk bond status I am only happy for one reason, Apple already announced plans to stop dealing with Samsung on their displays (whom is their highest quality/quantity supplier and moving that volume to Sharp. ;)

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