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1/2/2011 12:41 AM EST

Regarding engineering activities that further the well being, health, and ...

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ReneCardenas

1/1/2011 6:56 PM EST

Rich, I agree with the sentiment expressed earlier:

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Dulcinea

Pocono Armchair Review

12/27/2010 10:41 AM EST

In the play, Man of La Mancha, the hero Don Quixote envisions a beautiful lady, Dulcinea, to whom he swears eternal love and loyalty.   However, the woman he imagines to be Dulcinea is actually Aldonza, a serving wench and part-time prostitute.  Nevertheless, he refuses to see baseness in her, and steadfastly proclaims her to be his noble lady love, which at first flabbergasts Aldonza, but which eventually transforms her into what Don Quixote envisions her to be.

My wife and I were talking about the play recently, when I brought up the subject of the nobility of electronics engineering, and the dichotomy between those viewing engineering as strictly mercenary, and those seeing it as a noble calling, imbued with the virtue of care for others in its practice.  There seemed to be such confusion over the obligations that should exist in the practice of electronics engineering, that I said I wanted to write an article about it, to highlight exactly what I thought was Noble about the profession.  

“You are going to be bashed,” she warned.  “People today don't even agree what 'Noble' means.”

She was right, people don't agree, and I'll be bashed.  But in the spirit of Don Quixote, and hopefully not a spirit that is sanctimonious (but rather one that is merely questioning), I'll tackle it anyway, and ask, what is “Noble”?

I'm in good company asking that question.  Never mind that it has been examined by deep-thinking philosophers for ages. No less a forum of philosophy as Star Trek has tackled it, when the science fiction series, as you may recall, examined the question of “the needs of the many” versus “the needs of the one.”  And the question should be tackled here, because it underlies the basis of how we EEs should work, and whether it should be for each other or against.

In some circles, Noble is just the opposite of what it used to be.  Ayn Rand's philosophy of damning those less able or less fortunate is, in those circles, the new path to holiness.  “What's in it for me?” is the one standard of measurement in that philosophy.  If I may be permitted to say so, rather than transcending the jungle, such a sentiment appears to embrace it.

However, in the classic sense of Noble, helping others is supposed to be a more prized achievement than just helping yourself.  In the classic sense, doing Good is supposed to be better than simply doing Well (where Good is measured by how much better off a group is, as opposed to how Well an individual is doing in contrast to the group).  You can analyze why that may be so by examining the outcomes in Nature of absolute competition versus cooperation. While individual competition can provide initiatives and breakthroughs in methods (Ayn Rand's point), cooperation allows specialization that creates efficiencies in carrying tasks out, which in turn can multiply effort by more than the number of people involved.  In other words, the work of two people working together can outstrip the work of two people working as individuals.  

That's why individual cells long ago banded together to create multi-celled organisms.  Working together, they can create their own controlled environment, rather than depend on circumstances to provide for them, and go on to much better things than your average primordial soup can provide.  Witness the more or less optimal, steady state of the interior of the human body in terms of temperature and salinity, even when conditions outside the body are inhospitable.  Those cells in there love it!  And they made it that way by cooperating.

I recognize that cooperative processes can become corrupt, can create inefficiency, engender bureaucracy, and stifle creativity (Ayn Rand's point again), but, in general, a group of people working together (rather than against each other) will outdo a group of people working separately.

So, the question is, for whom do you work?  For yourself, or for others?  Do you better only your own condition, or the condition of society?

It's possible to do both.  An example is in how China is working to force solar panel prices down, to the level of parity with fossil fuels.  This is the “invisible hand” effect, which adherents of Ayn Rand's philosophy will recognize, that transforms China's self-interest into a public good, as if guided by an invisible hand. In other words, emerging from this supposedly selfish goal of economic preeminence (the new “Nobility”), is paradoxically what turns out to be a global benefit, as if sought for altruistic reasons (classic Nobility).

But sometimes it is necessary to choose one over the other.  It's a personal decision, but the outcome affects us all.

Tell me, would you seek Aldonza, or Dulcinea?


Rich Krajewski is an electronics engineer, editor, and amateur-radio operator [call sign WB2CRD].




Luis Sanchez

12/28/2010 5:27 PM EST

Great portion Rich!
I think you've succeded in lifting to an interesting level of debate a predicament that otherwise would pass un-noticed. I didn't know that about the 'invisible hand' but I really identify the term when it regards to China.
about your last question, I think the answer is sometimes we'll pick Aldonza and some others we'll pick Dulcinea. I think that reflects the operation of most of todays big companies and this can go all the way down to the individual. The fact is that sometimes you have to work for the profit and sometimes you can harvest the fruits from helping others. And the order I think is to first help you and later help others because if you're not OK, you can't help others. right?

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12/29/2010 3:17 AM EST

When I went to business school, I expected to find a chapel or a shrine dedicated to Ayn Rand, as she and her philosophy seemed to be vigorously promoted. Judging from her writings, or my understanding of them, she seemed to feel that there should be NO goal other than one's own advancement.

During my time at a religious school, however, we were taught to be "men for others." Service to those in need was promoted as a high honor.

Engineering school, I thought, was more neutral. Yes, we had an honor system. We were expected to play by the rules and act fairly, rather than strictly for ourselves, regardless of the costs to others. On the other hand, I don't remember explicit exhortations or cultural pressure that students should go out of their way to work for the good of society.

That last example seems to reflect what Luis wrote (if I understood him correctly), that engineering is a mixed bag as far as sentiment or philosophy is concerned. The fruits of engineering that we see bear that out. Some products of engineering are absolutely wonderful, but others are absolutely wasteful.

I'd like to picture engineering as a Dulcinea. I think the more we do that, the more likely we will see things that are absolutely wonderful.

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David Ashton

12/28/2010 6:11 PM EST

Hi Rich and compliments of the seaon...

"...but which eventually transforms her into what Don Quixote envisions her to be."

There's another quote on this subject that I am fond of:

"Treat people as if they were what they ought to be and you will help them become what they are capable of becoming."
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

A fact that a lot of managers never seem to grasp.

As to your question:
"So, the question is, for whom do you work? For yourself, or for others? Do you better only your own condition, or the condition of society?"

You get by far the greatest satisfaction in life by contributing to the welfare of others. Whether it is actively helping someone or just making sure that the little wheels you look after are turning properly, the knowledge that you've done the best you can is one of the greatest contributors to personal satisfaction that I know.

So yes, you do work for yourself, but only in that striving to meet your own personal standards contributes to a well functioning society.

My experience is that engineers in general set themselves pretty high standards, and it is a pity more of them don't end up in public life. If they did, methinks the world would be a better place.

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12/29/2010 3:25 AM EST

I agree, in general engineers (even if they are not the social type) do want to benefit society through their work. Naturally they want reward in terms of pay and recognition, but overall most engineers I've met believe that what they do is, to some degree, a Noble calling.

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David Ashton

12/29/2010 4:37 PM EST

I'm not sure Noble is the word I would use, it's maybe a bit strong, but most engineers I know seem to have more of a sense of the consequences of their work than the average say shop assistant or admin person or accountant or (certainly) politician. (Disclaimer - These are all generalisations and like all generalisations they are only generally true. :-)

It's maybe more of a "do as you would be done by" attitude - engineers usually make things work the way they'd want things to work for themselves.

As I remarked in a previous comment, people like accountants and politicians will say "No, we can't do that" or "Well, if we do that it's going to cost you a lot." An engineer will think for a minute and say "Yes, we can do that." The "Can-do" attitude is what makes them great people to work with.

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12/29/2010 9:23 PM EST

Maybe it is an unusual appellation, and strong for that reason, but it serves to highlight one of the motivations behind EE life that isn't highlighted normally.

One motivation for my writing about the EE profession in those terms was a series of comments made by some other posters here on EETimes.com. In a nutshell, during discussions about what made EE a profession, the economic travails that seemed to belie its status, and the abuse it suffered via arbitrary prejudices revolving around age and other factors, I started to think about what was good about being an EE. That led me to the less celebrated efforts (but which nonetheless exist) directed at the general good.

You can argue about whether the general good is served best by selfish individual effort and the "invisible hand," or by concerted, altruistic effort. But good--astounding good--is often in the hands of an EE, or within reach, and that's what I wanted to highlight.

Can-do is great. Can-do-good is better.

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Duane Benson

12/29/2010 5:36 PM EST

I think the biggest question really is the definition of "noble." My experience tells me that, in general, engineering types tend to lean toward operating from noble principles. The definition of that term has many different versions though.

One engineer may feel that working on green energy related products is noble. One may feel that working on national defense is noble. One may feel that working on anything but national defense is noble. Overriding that all, what I've seen is that a good engineer will try to be true to elegance and quality in design and that, from a technical perspective is one very important definition of "noble."

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12/29/2010 8:46 PM EST

Agreed. Noble has a how, as well as a why.

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David Ashton

12/30/2010 6:02 AM EST

One example that comes to mind is the AK-47 rifle, hardly a noble thing to have designed; it's caused untold human misery and loss of life.

And yet Mikhail Kalashnikov did a superb job. As a piece of engineering the AK-47 is great. It does its job under all extremes of conditions. You can bury it or leave it in water for a year and within a few minutes of being retrieved it is ready for use with minimum maintenance. It's superbly reliable, easy to use and yet cheap to produce. And Kalashnikov probably performed a great service for his country by designing it. It's certainly true to Duane's requirements for elegance and quality in design. How about land mines? Or SAM-7 missiles?

The above is a very specific example but to my mind muddies the waters a bit.

Getting back to my generalisations above - in general Engineers are a lot more noble a bunch than some of the other professions I cited. Engineers usually work hard, are not the best paid or the most famous people, and yet the world is a hugely better place for their efforts. So yeah, OK, I'll go along with Noble....it does fit, generally, pretty well.

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12/30/2010 8:00 PM EST

I'd say the AK-47 has protected as well as cost lives. The intent behind the design may have been patriotic--normally considered a virtue--but I'd reckon that its abuse was not necessarily a function of the designer's virtue or nobility.

It was a good design, and good design alone was what another poster felt was a good enough definition of Noble. I'd say that was the kind of definition an employer or a government would love best.

If patriotism is a virtue, and if the ability to defend oneself is moral, then, yes, a SAM missile and its design could be counted among the examples of noble intent.

If oppression is the intent, then its design would be the opposite of noble.

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David Ashton

12/31/2010 5:13 AM EST

We'll have to agree to disagree here Rich, but only slightly. In broad terms I'd agree that Engineering is a noble profession, and that Engineers are noble people. So your bashing is not going to come from me!!

All the best for 2011!

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ReneCardenas

1/1/2011 6:56 PM EST

Rich, I agree with the sentiment expressed earlier:

When I see the massive highway infrastructure in any major metropolitan city, or the power grid and repeater antennas, or medical devices as self-evident samples of noble intent of engineers, which benefit the masses by the effort and dedication of each engineer that designed and help build those human achievements.

However, there are many examples that stand in dark contrast, IMHO of questionable honorable cause: the design weapons of mass destruction, nuclear weapons, bioagents: such as nerve agents, Agent Orange, DDT. Although I read strong arguments as deterrents.
In my opinion, these are any more noble than the oppression displayed by oligarchies around the globe that push engineering projects with ill intent.

My point is: there are plenty of self-evident cases of noble intent in the engineering profession, however there are plenty of gray areas and arguable human value.


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1/2/2011 12:41 AM EST

Regarding engineering activities that further the well being, health, and welfare of people, I've been watching the progress of Honda's ASIMO project with great interest. Probably very few people would argue that such a project is anything other than monumental and beneficial. I put it on a par with the moon landing in terms of ambition. Even ahead of the moon landing, in terms of the likelihood of continuing achievement. Maybe some of the autonomous vehicle projects come close.

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