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KB3001

8/13/2012 12:58 PM EDT

LOL Dynamite!

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Max the Magnificent

8/9/2012 6:30 PM EDT

I was at a conference / exhibition a year or two ago -- one of the givaways was ...

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What's the dress code where you work?

Clive Maxfield

8/3/2012 3:21 PM EDT

I stopped at the gas station on the way into work the other day to grab a cup of coffee. As I was leaving, a guy about my age was entering. Together, we provided quite a contrast…

He was sporting a business (not-so) casual look. Polished black shoes – ironed trousers with a razor-sharp crease in them – an impeccably ironed snow-white shirt – one of the most boring ties it has ever been my displeasure to cast my orbs across – and some sort of security badge.

By comparison, I was in my usual working garb – cargo shorts with every pocket holding a paperback book or an electronic "something or other" – a resplendent Hawaiian shirt – and an old pair of leather sandals (of course it helps that I work in a one-man office and I don’t get to meet customers in the flesh – much like the mad professor in the film Independence Day: "They don’t let me out very often."). The advantage of my mode of dress is that I get to wear the same clothes for home, work, church, whatever … it makes life so much simpler … the only choice I have to make each morning is which Hawaiian shirt is the order of the day.

Then I started thinking back to when I got my first job in 1980 at International Computers Limited (ICL) in the UK. Everyone was obliged to wear a suit with shirt and tie ("Oh, the horror").

Later, when I moved to the USA in 1990 to work for Intergraph in Huntsville, Alabama, at least we weren't forced to wear suits. On Monday through Friday we wore casual pants (trousers in the UK), shirts and ties. On Friday it was "Casual Day" and we could wear denims (no shorts) and casual shirts without ties.

I left Intergraph in 2000 and I don’t know what the dress code is there now. Truth to tell, I hadn’t thought about this topic for many years – in fact, not until my chance encounter with the guy at the gas station. And that got me to wondering as to how many engineers are currently working for companies that have a strict (or otherwise) dress code.

How about you? What are the rules where you work (and do you like them or hate them)?


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FlyByPC

8/3/2012 6:09 PM EDT

Business-casual here (Drexel University). Polo shirt and khakis in the summer; a button-down shirt (no tie, no suit, thankfully!) in cooler weather. Perhaps shorts would be allowed in summertime, but my own personal dress code doesn't allow that, at least at work.

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Jason.Brownlee

8/3/2012 6:48 PM EDT

HDD/SSD test/development lab/offices:

I wear jeans or khaki pants and polo or button up shirts (I don't tuck my shirts in) and casual brown or black ESD shoes. Some wear shorts in summer. Some wear a bit dressier slacks and tucked in shirts. No one wears ties except maybe on a special occasion.

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palf

8/3/2012 7:31 PM EDT

Max, I'm tracking your progress 10 years ahead - UK engineer in the 70's, Germany in the 80's, Silicon Valley 1986-now. Plessey Radar 1973-78 was proper trousers, shirt 'n' tie, and sports jacket. Even when I split to do contracting, I kept that momentum. MBB was the same, but here, beginning at Nat Semi, anything went, and still goes. Management wearing jeans for most of the subsequent startups. But for some reason, despite the complete lack of peer pressure, I still prefer dockers to jeans or shorts. Probably nostalgia.

We've come a long way in dress codes since the great engineers of yore like Brunel and Eddington, with their dress coats and wingtip collars. And since everything is cyclic, I'm just counting the years until the full wig makes a comeback.

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KB3001

8/3/2012 8:05 PM EDT

No dress code in my workplace but I usually wear a suit (without a tie most days). I like wearing formal attire at work if I am honest.

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Max the Magnificent

8/5/2012 11:27 AM EDT

I've got a couple of friends who are more comfortable in more formal attire ... I just never could get into it -- I no longer even own a suit...

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bwm85

8/3/2012 8:53 PM EDT

Dockers or dressy levis and a cotton dress shirt -- all cotton for Arc-Flash safety

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Max the Magnificent

8/5/2012 11:29 AM EDT

I think dockers are a GREAT invention -- especially the shorts for me -- it means I can carry paperback books and headphones and tools and electronic gizmos -- a bit like "Max Max Beyond the Thunderdome" when he's asked to check all of his weapons :-)

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Ad_Ceng

8/4/2012 8:10 AM EDT

Max, I tend to go with a suit, nice shirt and tie. In fact it is a little annoyance of mine that engineers in the UK want to be seen in a similar standing to other professionals (Dr, Lawyers etc) yet seem to think the it is OK to turn up to work scruffy looking.

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Max the Magnificent

8/5/2012 11:32 AM EDT

But you look good in a suit -- I look like a dork who is wearing a hired suit :-)

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Paul A. Clayton

8/5/2012 5:42 PM EDT

I think you are supposed to put the suit on your own body not wear a lawyer ("hired suit").

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Dr DSP

8/4/2012 1:13 PM EDT

Working from home seems to be a bit of a cheat, but that means my dress code is very simple. Usually shorts, T-Shirt (in summer) add a pull-over in winter. @Max- maybe another topic for a slide show? Maybe not...

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Max the Magnificent

8/5/2012 11:32 AM EDT

Maybe.... not a bad idea -- I just have to get the office one up first...

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Battar

8/5/2012 2:22 AM EDT

I live in a warm climate. You should see how the girls in accounting and purchasing turn up for work - it would make the eyes pop out of your head.

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KB3001

8/5/2012 7:30 AM EDT

reminds me of this funny British sketch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogZRAzd-gY8

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Max the Magnificent

8/5/2012 11:36 AM EDT

Eeekkk -- that was scary!!!

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ReneCardenas

8/5/2012 2:48 PM EDT

Wow scary indeed, I just hope that this fashion statement doesn't take in the USA!

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Max the Magnificent

8/5/2012 2:52 PM EDT

Hi Rene -- I think you should try it out where you work and then tell us what happens :-)

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ReneCardenas

8/6/2012 10:20 AM EDT

Max, thank you for the "encouragement" but no thank you. I do not have a death wish ;-)

But nice try though... LoL

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Max the Magnificent

8/5/2012 11:33 AM EDT

I refer you back to one of my earlier responses -- my wife would not be in favor of that :-)

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ReneCardenas

8/5/2012 3:03 PM EDT

Max, I was fortunate to work right out of college with IBM, where the office dress code was always formal with tie expected every day, even when you worked around main frames with heavy duty power supplies and large fans, and other moving parts! I remember always having to flip my tie or tuck-in as a safety alternative ;-).
I say fortunate because that is the only time that I could have tolerated such requirement, as I migrated to start-ups the dress code has been always very informal jeans or cargo shorts and sandals during summer.

I think I can make the statement that productivity can be correlated to a relaxed dress code; personally, these have been the most productive times of my professional career!
However, now that I am working within a medical company, the dress code has been semi-formal during most of the year, with the exception of casual wear during summer. A niece balanced alternative.

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Max the Magnificent

8/6/2012 9:59 AM EDT

Rene -- I agree with you -- I can't speak for other people, but I'm sure my productivity would go down if I had to wear a suit...

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K1200LT Rider

8/9/2012 8:04 AM EDT

I've never had to wear a tie at work other than when I was in the Air Force and had to wear my dress Blues for a specific reason. If the dress code ever suddenly changes to require wearing a tie, I'd start looking for another job. I wouldn't be comfortable because it would create such a stuffy atmosphere. Also, I don't want the dress code relaxed so much that I start hearing cheap, foam flip-flops clicking constantly around me. That is one of my pet peeves: those are way too informal and are downright annoying to have to listen to constantly.

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antedeluvian

8/5/2012 5:26 PM EDT

I worked with a very ambitious engineer who always wore a tie "because then you always knew who the boss was". The day we moved locations we were told to show up in shabby clothes and he still appeared in suit and tie.

In my current incarnation I can dress pretty much as I choose. I tend to go in dockers and any kind of open neck shirt because I don't want to mess up my good clothes like my jeans! I used to wear shorts on really hot days, but my boss told my then supervisor that he thought I would never look for another job, because nowhere else would allow shorts. I decided not to give him this sense of security, although it is helped by the fact the the a/c is pretty good.

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Max the Magnificent

8/6/2012 10:00 AM EDT

Maybe your boss was using psychology on you :-)

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Paul A. Clayton

8/5/2012 6:03 PM EDT

I am curious if some geeks would be interested in wearing something vaguely like a bandolero to satisfy the demand for on-person storage without requiring several sets of specialized clothing (and allowing such to be removed for a more formal meeting rather than changing clothing).

A "vest" could be much more comfortable than stuffed pockets (from distribution and placement of bulk/weight) and make the items stored much more accessible.

(Tool belts might be useful for heavy tools, but a lot of geek tools are light enough that placement above the waist would not introduce excess back strain.)

(It is not clear if such could be made semi-fashionable, but fashion would be less important for geeks, though such might be worn as a badge of honor [I would not be surprised if some view toolbelts in this manner].)

This is just something I thought of a while ago but never had an opportunity to share. (Transforming the vague concept to a practical design would seem to require a lot of work, including "market research".)

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amacon

8/6/2012 7:18 AM EDT

Speaking as a woman, I wear dress pants (skirts are difficult crawling around the equipment), flats (same reason, heels are impossible in a lab), and sweaters (doesn't matter what time of year, it's cold in the building).

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Max the Magnificent

8/6/2012 10:02 AM EDT

I agree -- that's why I never wear skirts or heels in the office (grin)

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Buck-on-Bass

8/6/2012 9:14 AM EDT

A cotton polo shirt and cotton khakis with leather shoes due to the risk of arc flash. T-shirt and jeans on Fridays from Memorial Day through Labor Day. Jeans whenever we'll be doing some major work in the lab.

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static_engineer

8/6/2012 9:19 AM EDT

I work in the office area of a major electronics distributor and our official dress code is business casual which means collared shirts (polo or button up) and khakis Monday through Thursday and Fridays are jeans and t-shirts. Never shorts in the office area. We have suppliers in to visit almost all week so I understand the policy.

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Max the Magnificent

8/6/2012 10:06 AM EDT

This sounds pretty much like the way things were when I stopped working for a big company back in 2000

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BigTech

8/6/2012 2:50 PM EDT

Pretty casual here at SGI: lots of people wear jeans or
shorts and a T-shirt or polo. Some wear dress slacks
and/or a buttoned shirt. I'm a bit dressed up today by my standards: a snappy polo shirt (freebee from a SGI product launch) with a "nicer" pair of cargo shorts and dirty white sneakers. There's a cadre of companions here who sport a Hawaiian look every Thursday.

No ties. Ever.

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Max the Magnificent

8/6/2012 2:51 PM EDT

I'd like to go back in time and find the drongo who invented the tie .. and strangle him with it :-)

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Brian @ BDH

8/7/2012 1:02 AM EDT

Max - exactly!

What kind of person could have thought, 'Hey - let's take a piece of cloth, tie it around our necks and wear it all day! It would be so comfortable!'?

Use your time machine and get 'er done! (Just don't tell Adam, he would be sad :-)

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Max the Magnificent

8/7/2012 10:26 AM EDT

"Just don't tell Adam..."

I'll wear my fake Groucho Marx nose and mustache ... so he'll never know...

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Streetrodder

8/8/2012 3:57 PM EDT

I'll need to look again, but I think the tie started out as a bib/napkin. leave it to us to turn something practical into decorative 'formal' wear

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Max the Magnificent

8/8/2012 4:07 PM EDT

That explains a lot - -when I used to wear a tie (deep in the mists of time), the end of it invariably seemed to find its way into my bowl of soup :-)

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darenw

8/7/2012 2:21 AM EDT

As an artist, physicist, and electronics guy, I have three good reasons to dress like a slob. The few-hundred-million $/yr revenue company I'm working at currently is growing fast, improvising for room. So they put some of us in cubicles in the executive suite. All the C-level people have offices visible from our desks. No need for a suit or anything, but word got back to me about the one time I came in wearing shorts.

At another company, a non-profit scientific research organization, there were lively discussions about dress code. The administration wanted everyone to dress nice in case any board directors, donors, congresscritters or distinguished visitors came by. Our world-class physics-degreed group leader demanded that we be allowed to dress like physicists. We won :)

Makes me wonder who is impressed and why. If you were on the board of directors, an investor or donor, or some influential visitor, would *you* be more impressed by dressed-for-business or by dressed-like-scientists-and-engineers? Why?

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Max the Magnificent

8/7/2012 10:20 AM EDT

For me I want my scientists and engineers to look like scientists and engineers...

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bcarso

8/7/2012 6:04 AM EDT

Speaking of Big Blue in the old days: when someone I know, Rob, was visiting, his "guide", an employee there, took him to the cafeteria for lunch. At each station Rob would be asked questions like "Would you like the meat loaf or the fish, Doctor?" "Will you have the carrots and peas, or the broccoli, Doctor?"

When they had passed through the cashier ("That comes to 2.57, Doctor") and found a table, it was explained to Rob that the only people allowed to have facial hair (in his case a beard and moustache) were PhD's.

Brad

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Max the Magnificent

8/7/2012 10:20 AM EDT

I love these stories of the way it used to be...

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cshore

8/7/2012 6:14 AM EDT

Shirt and tie was the norm in the first place I worked at after graduating in the mid-80's. After that I spent a long while working at a place where there was no set dress code but it was the unspoken expectation that everyone wore a suit. Moving to ARM 12 years ago, on my first day, someone commented that I looked as if I'd been mugged by a tailor. I've never worn a suit since. Here in the UK, ARM has a reputation for being Californian in its attitude to dress...

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Max the Magnificent

8/7/2012 10:18 AM EDT

"I looked as if I'd been mugged by a tailor."

LOL I remember walking through downtown Hong Kong and being approached by tailors in the street saying they could have a fitted suit made for me by the following day ... now if only they had said Hawaiian shirts...

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cshore

8/7/2012 10:20 AM EDT

The guys in HK are something else. I came very close to having a T-shirt printed with "No I do NOT want a watch or a suit" in very large letters. And that was the polite version!

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Max the Magnificent

8/7/2012 11:30 AM EDT

The thing is that if you had told them, you could have had a custom-fitted T-Shirt in a matter of hours :-)

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elizabethsimon

8/7/2012 12:10 PM EDT

I usually wear jeans or casual pants and a long sleeve oxford shirt or polo shirt in the summer. In the winter I often wear a nice flannel shirt and corduroy pants. I also usually wear leather hiking/work boots. I also am usually seen wearing a zip-up hooded sweatshirt to keep warm enough in the AC...

Long pants and button-up shirts (or polos in the summer) are the norm here. The guys who want to move up into management wear ties....

This thread does bring up the question that I've been wondering about. What is the female equivalent of a tie? I think its a good thing that as a female engineer, I'm not required to have any fashion sense.

Elizabeth

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Frank Eory

8/7/2012 12:37 PM EDT

In the U.S. there used to be a very distinct east coast vs. west coast difference in office attire, but I'm not so sure that's still as true as it used to be.

Here in the desert, standard engineering attire is jeans and either a button-down shirt or a polo shirt. Some people wear shorts and sandals in the summertime, but they are in the minority -- although I don't get any sense that it's frowned upon.

Managers tend to dress a bit nicer than engineers, at least as far as replacing jeans with Dockers or dress slacks (sometimes). No ties, ever! That reminds me, we have a few bars around town -- of the cowboy variety -- where if you walk in wearing a tie, they will cut it off with a scissors and hang it on the wall of shame :)

Here at Freescale, Friday has been Hawaiian shirt day for as long as I can remember, but participation waxes and wanes throughout the year.

And if you come in on the weekend, you wear your Iron Maiden t-shirt or whatever your favorite rock & roll t-shirt happens to be :)

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Max the Magnificent

8/7/2012 8:28 PM EDT

You say there was an East-West difference ... was there a North-South difference also?

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kciszewski

8/7/2012 8:10 PM EDT

I once worked for SLM Electronics, manufacturer of Crate Guitar amplifiers and Ampeg bass amplifiers. The place was very casual--some had long hair, some beards, some wore shorts or jeans. Very laid back.

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Max the Magnificent

8/7/2012 8:27 PM EDT

That sounds like a cool place to work

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palf

8/8/2012 1:53 AM EDT

Oh, I forgot. Here comes too much information. Thousands of hours coding at home in Silicon Valley means butt nekkid (and smokes). I knew you all wanted to know that.

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Rob.Robertson

8/8/2012 8:09 AM EDT

Same here. Jeans and a polo shirt when I'm at work, but if I'm home working on a board layout or cleaning up a schematic, I'm completely au naturel. If it were up to me it would be a clothing-optional world.

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K7IQ

8/8/2012 3:43 AM EDT

In winter I usually wear pajamas. Summer, shorts with tee-shirt and sleeves cut off.

Either time, socks may or may not match.

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Max the Magnificent

8/8/2012 10:01 AM EDT

What does everyone else in your office wear (grin)

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PEIFFER

8/8/2012 2:18 PM EDT

Dress code? You have to be dressed to come to work. Oh, and no going barefoot in front of customers or upper level management.

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Max the Magnificent

8/8/2012 4:29 PM EDT

I'm already wearing mine...

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Wnderer

8/8/2012 4:28 PM EDT

Suits are so 20th century. When do we get our silver jumpsuits and goggles?

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seaEE

8/9/2012 1:23 AM EDT

I always remember the Dilbert cartoon, Casual Day Has Gone to Far. It showed employees walking around au natural amidst stratgically placed cubicles. One advantage of a strict dress code, for example dark suit and tie like I believe IBM had (has?), is you don't have to plan a new wardrobe every day. But a few white shirts and a couple suits and your good to go. In some ways it makes your wardrobe less complicated.

My grandfather had an office job. In those days (1940's) the long sleeve cotton shirts they wore were really heavy cotton material. They were difficult to iron, and they didn't hold a press well. Per my Mom, he would sometimes just iron the sleeves and wear a vest to cover the rest!

I still have the ties I use to wear in the 1980's. I kind of miss wearing them. It seems most places on the West Coast are casual dress. I wonder if there is any company where there is no code, that is you can dress casual or business, it's up to the employee?

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Max the Magnificent

8/9/2012 10:30 AM EDT

I haven't found that one yet, but I have found these (I like the "twins" one :-)
http://search.dilbert.com/comic/Casual%20Friday

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Wnderer

8/9/2012 4:00 PM EDT

It's the cover of one of the books.

http://thedilbertstore.com/products/65452-casual-day-has-gone-too-far

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winux38019

8/9/2012 7:15 AM EDT

I wear either jeans, , casual or suit and very rarely with a tie. The most important for me is to change. The same dress code every day is just boring.

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K1200LT Rider

8/9/2012 8:15 AM EDT

I actually can't recall all the details of my company's dress code, but I know it says no shorts or open toed shoes for engineers. They also are supposed to wear collared shirts, but everyone seems to not mind or say anything about the occasional t-shirt worn on a casual Friday. And graphics or text on clothes cannot be disrespectful or crude in any way. I've seen that rule broken a few times by a few blue-collared workers, but hopefully they were counseled. The work place is no place for that kind of stuff.

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cmathas

8/9/2012 2:10 PM EDT

bunny slippers, jammies and robe until noon. The joys of working at home.

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Max the Magnificent

8/9/2012 2:40 PM EDT

When you say "bunny slippers" are we talking "Killer Rabbits" from Monty Python?

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KB3001

8/13/2012 12:58 PM EDT

LOL Dynamite!

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BurtB

8/9/2012 2:38 PM EDT

Dress shirt, Dockers or more formal long pants, Black shoes.

And yet, I could probably get away with shorts, T-shirt and flip flops if I wanted to.

I just would not be as productive. My Work Costume helps me get into character.

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palf

8/9/2012 6:07 PM EDT

I'm proud to say that I never carried a Pocket Protector in the seventies. But I do confess to wearing a Harris Tweed sports jacket (which still fits me and refuses to wear out).

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Max the Magnificent

8/9/2012 6:30 PM EDT

I was at a conference / exhibition a year or two ago -- one of the givaways was a plastic pocket protector .... they had to fight the techno-dweebs off with a stick!!!

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