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Sparky_Watt

4/16/2013 2:00 PM EDT

I don't know why he picked 36. 12 is also divisible by 2, 3, and 4. 60 is ...

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4/3/2013 4:32 PM EDT

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What were they thinking: A clock

Brian Bailey

3/22/2013 11:34 AM EDT

Thanks go to Benny in Israel for bringing this patent application to my attention. This patent is for a “Devices for quantifying the passage of time” often called a clock or watch, possibly even an iWatch. But this device is different in that it does not use the standard mechanism of counting time. In the description, the author – John David Jones says:

Currently, the most popular formats for conveying date and time information are incredibly archaic. Telling time in the standard hours-minutes-seconds format can be terribly confusing, especially considering that hours are calculated in a different scale than minutes and seconds, and both are calculated in a different scale than months or years. Further, a time expressed in hours-minutes-seconds format only carries one type of meaning: a time of day. Expressing calendar information can be just as difficult. For example, the Gregorian calendar contains months of differing numbers of days, is altered during leap years, and is not easily converted to measure times from dates other than January 1 of a base year, such as the commonly used Year 1 of the Common Era (CE).

What is needed is a device that can display time and/or date information in a more useful format than the traditional clock and calendar formats.

This reminds of the problem of currency in England when I was growing up. There were 20 shilling to a pound and 12 pennies to a shilling. Common coinage was things like ½ Crown which was 2 shillings and 6 pence or a Guinea which was 21 shillings. Don’t even get me started as to why it was 21 shillings, because that is a long story. In 1971 all that changed when they adopted a decimal currency. Could this be the start of the decimalization of time? That would most certainly be simpler. But oh no. This is not decimalization – it is transforming time to base 36! OK – back to the description we go to find out why!

A day is divided into thirty-six increments, called “periods.” Periods are likewise divided into thirty-six increments called “fractions,” which are likewise divided into thirty-six increments, and so on. This subdivision may be continued into smaller and smaller increments in order to obtain a desired amount of precision in an expression of time.


Days are also grouped together into larger units of time. A group of thirty-six days is called a “cycle.” Cycles may be grouped in units of thirty-six, and those groupings may be grouped in units of thirty-six, and so on in order to obtain a desired magnitude in an expression of time.

The measurement of time in increments of thirty-six has numerous attendant advantages. For example, the number thirty-six is divisible by at least two, three and four, making it easily split into halves, thirds, and quarters. As another example, measuring all increments in multiples of thirty-six provides consistency and ease of computation. One need not remember the arbitrarily proportioned 60 traditional minutes in a traditional hour, 24 traditional hours (and therefore 1440 traditional minutes) in a day, 30 days (and therefore 720 traditional hours, or 43,200 traditional minutes) in some traditional months, and so on.

Glad we have something that is SO much simpler. Now, I am sure there are some real advantages in this. Of course :

Base-36 is particularly useful because each digit may be expressed by one of the characters 0-9 and A-Z. Hence, alphanumeric strings such as words have a meaningful value.

For example:

the time “4:20 PM” does not carry any recognizable meaning, but the CFILORUX time “.POT”, translated to approximately “5:07 PM,” may be more easily understood. Other times, such as “.FOOD” (approximately 10:27 AM) or “.COFFEE” (approximately 8:27 AM) also serve as good examples of times that may be converted to or from common words.

OK, I think you get the picture. If you interested in reading more about this, it is application number 8379489

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betajet

3/22/2013 2:19 PM EDT

The spirit of Rube Goldberg lives on!

Actually, the French did something like this during the Revolution: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_time

It didn't catch on and they went back to HMS.

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Wnderer

3/24/2013 11:29 AM EDT

Mine's better. Base 2 time.
Divide the 365.256 day year into exactly 1024 time periods. I call these thirddays because they are about a third of a day long. 8.56 hours. Now we divide the third days into 8 new type hours and each hours into 64 minutes and each minute into 64 seconds.Each of these new seconds is 0.94 old seconds long. We can also now have sixteen 64 thirdday months. Now we can handle time calculations with just bit shifts.
6 bits are seconds.
6 bits are minutes.
3 bits are hours.
6 bits are days.
4 bits are months.
And the rest are years.

In practice,
Work one thirdday and take two thirddays off.
Work one thirdday and take two thirddays off.
Work one thirdday and take seven thirddays off.
Repeat.

This equates to the current 24 hour time as working 3 days out of 5 and starting work an hour and a half later everyday. For example start work at 7:00AM one day, 8:34AM the next and 10:07AM the third and then take two days off and repeat.

When do I get my patent?

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Tloose

3/25/2013 11:25 AM EDT

You just publicly disclosed your 'invention' so - never!

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Frank Wiedmann

3/25/2013 11:25 AM EDT

Another recent attempt at this was Swatch Internet Time (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time ).

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BobsView

3/25/2013 11:42 AM EDT

I have always thought Base 16 makes more sense for everything. The Decimal System is a poorly devised system, yet everyone promotes it like it was divinely inspired.

I like Base 16 because it is divisible by 2 down to a singularity, or 1. You can't do that with Base 10. 10 divided by 2 is 5. 5 divided by 2 is 2.5 and so on. Thus we enter the realm of decimals where it get messy.

So my vote goes for 16 Hours/day, 16 minutes/hour, 16 seconds/minute. Thus a clock face would be divided into 16 parts.

Under the current system of time, when we say it's 3:15, the hour hand points to the 3, but the minute hand also points to the 3. It doesn't point to the 15.

Makes no sense to me. I think we can do better.



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Duane Benson

3/25/2013 4:37 PM EDT

Reminds me of a children's book I read when I was back in first grade, "Ramona the Pest". In one passage, she showed up ten minutes late for school.

Class started at quarter after eight. A quarter coin is 25 cents. Therefore, quarter past the hour must be 8:25.

It is a rather silly system, but very many of our systems have a lot of silliness in them.

Now here's one: Lat/Lon time. Instead of timezones, our time keeping devices will automatically compensate for our exact location on Earth. Since almost no one likes to talk anymore, it would be easy for our text messaging, email and any other communication system to translate so each party would see the time with their respective compensation.

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GSKrasle

3/26/2013 12:00 PM EDT

It reminds me of Randall Munroe's "28 hour day":
http://xkcd.com/320/

Caveat: "this schedule will eventually drive one strk raving mad."

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DrQuine

3/26/2013 6:39 PM EDT

Ben Franklin improved the clock hundreds of years ago (and I have a modern replica to illustrate it). His assumption was that a clock could have one hand which made a rotation every 8 hours. Just as we take it for granted that we know whether it is 1 am or 1 pm (12 hour steps), he assumed that an observer can estimate the time within 8 hours. On such a clock, the minutes can be interpolated with sufficient accuracy for most human purposes.

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Mark.Rackin

3/27/2013 4:18 PM EDT

Why not just skip all of the pseudo-binary-based proposals and go straight binary? A simple example: a system of volumetric units. One tablespoon x2= 1 ounce x2 = 1 dounce x2= 1 tounce x2 = 1 hup x2= 1 cup x2= 1 pint x2= 1 quart x2= 1 hallon x2= 1 gallon etc. The English system finally gets its revenge over metrification!

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BrianBailey

3/29/2013 10:21 AM EDT

Love it!

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Scott Elder

3/28/2013 2:20 PM EDT

We can't get the world to agree on using a meter stick or a yard stick. How would one ever get the world to agree on a new clock format?

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WayneP

3/29/2013 3:01 PM EDT

What remains at issue is that our days and years do not match. The Earth rotates 365.256 times relative to the Sun per orbit. Any new system will have to account for this offset

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PizzaEater

3/29/2013 4:06 PM EDT

When I was in college I invented the metric week.
10 days long. I figured a 3 day weekend and 7 day work week would give me 30% off a week instead of the current 28.6%.

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bogdanbmcc

4/2/2013 10:27 AM EDT

Another proof that patents are evil!

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Anonymouse1234567891011121314151617181920

4/3/2013 4:32 PM EDT

Stardate -310253.94 ...

BAZINGA!

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Sparky_Watt

4/16/2013 2:00 PM EDT

I don't know why he picked 36. 12 is also divisible by 2, 3, and 4. 60 is divisible by 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6!

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