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rikin

1/12/2012 9:10 AM EST

George;
Try to explain the technology to a stewardess on the plane. He/she ...

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Eyetube

1/5/2012 10:57 AM EST

I spent many years working on the design of RF equipment and many hours chasing ...

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The innovative product I am really looking for

Bill Schweber

12/13/2011 6:31 PM EST

Most of us have wish list of products and innovations we’d like to see. These range from fairly linear extrapolations of what we now have (faster, cheaper, smaller, or with more features); all the way to those not possible within the laws of physics as we presently know them (anti-gravity machine, faster-than-light travel, maybe even a Star Trek “transporter"). But there are many in the middle of that span, ones which should be possible to achieve with reasonable, modest technology advances.

So here’s mine: I’d like to see an RF-sniffer aerosol. What do I mean by this? It would be a spray from a can which provides a “false color” visualization of the RF fields in a room, both by frequency and intensity, via a modest glow. You would spray it an the room would "light up" and indicate the RF field frequency and intensity throughout.

Colors could range from blue for lower-frequency RF, to red and violet for the GHz-and-higher RF bands. At the same time, the depth of color—its saturation—would give a relative indication of the local field intensity. The aerosol colorization would be somewhat like the false-color techniques that astronomers use when translating X-ray and other invisible-to-the-eye image radiation bands to full-color, such we saw with those dramatic pictures from the Hubble Space Telescope.

Why do I want this? I was using an antenna and receiver as a RF probe, to locate and localize some FM-radio RF hot spots and dead zones in a room, and it was as doable but time-consuming project. Sure, you can use a field strength meter or even a spectrum analyzer to get a detailed picture of the RF intensity versus frequency—but that’s only at the point where the probe is. To get a whole-area, 3D-image, you’d need to move that probe all over and create the full mapping. My aerosol would be less precise and more qualitative, but much quicker and much more visual.

So, does anyone know of a harmless chemical which fluoresces in proportion to RF-field intensity, and with a color relationship which spans kHz to GHz, and can be put into an aerosol? If not, can we synthesize one? It certainly would be handy to have when looking for sources of interference or Wi-Fi hot spots.

BTW, the target audience for this is not just engineers. It is also those who are concerned and even fearful of ambient RF energy; they would be likely customers, seems to me. But we would need a snappy, consumer-friendly marketing name, of course: "Visible RF"? "SeeMe Radiowaves"? (I welcome your suggestions!)

Are there items needing similar level of advancement—not too predictable or obvious, nor too far-out—on your list? 





chanj

12/14/2011 12:47 PM EST

It is an interesting idea. What if an eyeglasses is made so that you can see in 3D?

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Bert22306

12/14/2011 3:43 PM EST

Bill, I was with you until you said, "Colors could range from blue for lower-frequency RF, to red and violet for the GHz-and-higher RF bands."

Clearly, clearly, that's backwards. Blue goes to the higher frequencies.

My quest for innovation comes with the discovery of this faster-than-c neutrino. The history of our so-called "laws of physics" has been where a previous law eventually is determined to be only a special case of a more generalized law. The obvious example being Newton's laws. Einstein didn't prove them wrong, as much as incomplete. Similarly, arithmetic, algebra, calculus.

My belief has been, the same might hold true for special relativity?

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BicycleBill

12/14/2011 4:12 PM EST

I agree with you from a physics standpoint on the false color--but I am thinking common-place pyschology here ("cooler" lower frequencies versus "hotter" higher ones). But I'll take it either way, if you can do implement it.

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dougwithau

12/14/2011 4:23 PM EST

Bill,
You should love this video: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/12/seeing-em-waves-with-a-single-led.html

Similar to your idea, but yes, he had to move it around to get the image.

It would be cool, but the chemical can't cause cancer, holes in the ozone or limbs to fall off. Hard to find something like that.

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Duane Benson

12/14/2011 4:27 PM EST

I'm looking for something more in the near term of possibility. I'd like a still/video camera the size of a watch. Essentially, it could be a cell phone camera without the phone part. There are a number of cases where use of a camera might be cool but it not practical. For example, You can't have your camera out during take off and landing phases of a commercial flight. But, some of the most interesting photographs from plane view occur during those parts of the flight. You have to put your camera away, but not your watch. 6 Mpixel with a micro SD card for storage. That's all I ask.

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Sergeant82d

12/15/2011 12:36 PM EST

@Duane Benson - There are a lot of key fob cameras on eBay. I have a couple that I paid less than $15 for, including shipping. Good resolution, micro-SD slot. The battery only last about an hour, so a 4 GB TF card is plenty.

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georgie

12/24/2011 1:00 PM EST

Duane, what you want is a regular digital camera. What is not allowed during take-off and landing is any device that transmits RF (includes the superhet receivers due to their local oscillator leaking out). A digital camera uses very low power CMOS oscillator for its clock (similar to a digital wristwatch) and it will not interfere with aircraft avionics.

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rikin

1/12/2012 9:10 AM EST

George;
Try to explain the technology to a stewardess on the plane. He/she will still object the use of digital camera.

Just a thought.

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John R. Strohm

1/4/2012 12:25 PM EST

Minox updated their classic spy camera to digital. 5.1 Mpixel, micro SD card.

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BobbieSmith

12/14/2011 5:48 PM EST

Machine that washes, dries and folds my cloths and then puts them away in their proper place. Ah, yes, I want a robot maid.

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Thomas.Wrobel

12/15/2011 3:57 PM EST

Bobbie, I would suggest Marriage, my wife does that all the time plus many other wonderful things.
Tom

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sharps_eng

12/14/2011 6:26 PM EST

A Stainless Steel Rat: A mechanical tool that will gnaw away small amounts of metal with low reaction force, like a hand nibbler but precise. Don't mind if it is slow, as long as it is easy to clamp, can maybe advance itself a few mm before needing manual repositioning. Lasers, dentist drlls, abrasive blasting, water jet, micro-grinding wheel, bandsaw, all tried.

I have a professional Dremel (flexible drive 24000rpm, 120W continuous) but it's almost impossible to use for anything I have really needed it for (OK, on two jobs it was a lifesaver).

Probably an IR diode laser will do the job eventually? Not on copper though :-)

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David Ashton

12/14/2011 6:41 PM EST

I helped a friend of mine make a spark erosion machine. It uses a threaded shaft and a stepper motor to lower a shaped metal piece onto your workpiece, with a voltage between the two. As soon as they contact, a spark happens and eats away a tiny bit of the workpiece. At the same time this is sensed by electronics and the stepper motor is reversed to break the circuit, then the whole process starts again, obviously many times per second.

Never saw it working but my friend had articles on it and it's a recognised technique. Sounds like it might be what you want. Google it and see what you can find (I'm at work now and can't....)

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David Ashton

12/15/2011 6:33 AM EST

Had a quick look at home, and Wikipedia (as usual) has a good article, I'm sure there is more. The correct name for the tecnique is EDM (Electrical Discharge Machining). I had dinner with a Mech Eng friend and he was familiar with it.

I've lost touch with my firend who built himself one but I daresay there are a few home-build designs available, or commercial machines, as you wish.

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DA_100

12/15/2011 5:02 AM EST

It would be helpfull if you said why none of these devices would do what you want.

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sharps_eng

12/17/2011 4:13 PM EST

The Dremel-type tool has too much reaction; it vibrates, digs in and kicks and the chances of being able to access the corners of the shape you want to form are slim to non-existent. You are right, a milling machine is the minimum tackle you need to remove metal at any useful rate, at the sort of tool overhang you need to get into the corners. However, what you have then is a workholding nightmare, assuming you can dismantle the target enough to get access to the work area.

All the technologies mentioned are good at production work, doing one job on on components (not on assemblies in situ).

I have considered EDM and milling. Most times I am reduced to the humble file. Nothing wrong with that, but with every careful stroke I am wishing for that non-existent Stainless Steel Rat!
'Disintegrator Ray : range 1.50mm, beam width 3.20mm: Go!'
Beep when you're done. please...

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WKetel

12/16/2011 10:49 PM EST

What you are describing sounds like a milling machine. You could build the table and replace the spindle with your Dremel device, and you would have it! Not portable by any means, but very accurate.

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ManasK.RayChaudhuri

12/15/2011 10:34 AM EST

I would like to have a robotmaid who will do everything for/with me.

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Hasmon

12/15/2011 11:39 AM EST

Remember gauss' law...You don't need to map the RF field levels in three dimensions...you only have to map them on some closed two-dimensional surface and you can calculate the field strength everywhere inside the enclosed volume...assuming the room is empty. ;)

A flexible sheet with small horn antennas (like octopus suckers) and a simple passive rf field strength meter (diode, LPF) might do the trick. If manufactured properly it could have good spatial resolution.

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R0ckstar

12/15/2011 2:47 PM EST

The RF spray sounds kind of boring. I don't see a lot of popularity with that one. What I want for Christmas is a quiet laser lawnmower that never needs sharpening, and a flying car. The car must also look cool and evoke immediate envy. Oh yeah, and the robot maid mentioned earlier (female, of course). The more realistic and anatomically correct, the better.

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Bert22306

12/15/2011 3:50 PM EST

In the 1950s, there used to be ads showing helicopters parked on suburban neighborhood driveways. So the flying car idea has sort of come and gone. Drivers are bad enough attempting to negotiate their way through 2D traffic!

I'm with you on the bladeless mower, but a few years ago, I found something infinitely better. It's already available now. It's called "lawn service." Not only are the mowers completely "automatic," but they do what used to take me hours, on Saturday afternoons, in no more than 10 minutes during weekdays, when I'm usually at work. That's not an exaggeration. Truly astounding.

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R0ckstar

12/15/2011 4:39 PM EST

Well, I wish I would have heard about this lawn service thing before I spent everything I had on anti-gravity engine parts for my flying car. Maybe I can ask my robot girlfriend if I can borrow some money.

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Code Monkey

12/15/2011 2:52 PM EST

If you move reflectors like metal furniture or people around inside (or outside) the room it will move the locations of the deep fades. So if you carry around the receiver what you see are heisenfades.

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Ogemaniac

12/15/2011 10:49 PM EST

Sadly, your spray is all but impossible. You are asking for a material that absorbs low-energy radio photons and spits out visible photons in response. Unfortunately, visible photons have about 500 times the energy as radio photons. While it is not impossible to create materials that can absorb multiple photons and use the energy to emit fewer, higher energy photons, these materials are generally limited to low quantum efficiencies and merely combining the energy of two photons into one. A material that could combine the energy of hundreds or thousands of radio photons into a single visible photon is just not going to happen, and even if it did, the amount of visible light generated would not be enough for your application.

In short, there just is enough energy in the radio fields to do what you want to do, even if you could design a material to do it.

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katgod

12/22/2011 11:38 AM EST

Finally the correct response to the magical RF spray.

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BicycleBill

12/16/2011 7:54 AM EST

You say "all but impossible":to an engineer, that's the definition of a worthy challenge!

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BicycleBill

12/16/2011 1:18 PM EST

Maybe the aerosol spray consists of molecules that are unstable in some way, and will go into desired fluorescence-mode with that little bit of extra RF push. That way, you wouldn't need to add so much energy to the molecules to get them to go into fluorescence mode.

Or maybe you'd flood the area with aninvisible "black light" (UV) to pump the aerosol molecules to the energy edge, and then the impinging RF would push them past it--sort of an optical/RF pump scheme. Think out-of-the-box here! Look at what was done with light-curable adhesives, now common in dental and other areas.

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katgod

12/22/2011 11:41 AM EST

The conditions your adding make the this magical RF spray much less useful. Don't spend all your money trying to develop it.

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WKetel

12/16/2011 10:55 PM EST

I like the concept of an RF sensing spray. That sounds a lot like the Northern Lights, except that you need about 100Db more sensitivity.
My dream invention would be a men's cologne, "The Smell of Money". If it would really work, and convey the belief that the wearer was rich, I could sell that product and wind up with way more money than Mister Gates, and a lot more respect from all who purchased my product. IT might not actually be a good product, but it certainly would be popular.

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sharps_eng

12/17/2011 4:30 PM EST

Smoke and mirrors are the way forward: Could you diffuse nano-particles between films like hi-re iron filings? Think Etch-a-Sketch film.
Pre-biasing them might still be an option. I am thinking coherers here (although way more sensitive).
Polarisation and interference effects can make things visible, in an opto-RF design. You might see some H- or E-field effects on an LCD display array, biased right.

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Battar

12/21/2011 3:53 AM EST

I could make this for you, but you wouldn't like the smell of the gas. (!!).
Just put an enviromentalist/green lobbyist in the room, they always panic at the first hint of RF radiation.

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LoopTek

12/21/2011 4:00 PM EST

I love your idea. I have been trying to accomplish the same thing using sensors and and a display. I think a true 3d display of the RF environment would be really helpful for everyone, students, scientists, hobbyists and maybe lead to some very interesting discoveries. The human mind just works better if it can "see" what is going on instead of trying to see based on the math. Maybe some type of CCD could be developed that would be sensitive to the RF spectrum and allow us to "view" what is going on.

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katgod

12/22/2011 11:47 AM EST

You can visualize RF fields with software simulation if you know what the conditions of your RF source are.

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Robotics Developer

12/26/2011 9:05 PM EST

I would really like a PC (laptop/tablet/whatever) that does what I want it to do instead of what I mistakenly tell it to do. Nothing really out of this world but basic stuff like composing email with proper grammar/spelling and checks for those common mistakes(Microsoft Word does much of this now). Correct email addresses based on content/context would also be a major help. I might suggest it for a number of people that I know as well...:)

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srm_creator

1/5/2012 10:07 AM EST

Gee! Very interesting comments!
What I don't like about the idea of the spray is that it would be more of a "fireworks" entertainment than an actual useful tool. Yes, the features I agree with, but how long would the "image" last? A couple of seconds? Too short-lived for me. As others have pointed out, a camera is more like it, where I can get an image, and record it, so that then I can analyze it and do what I need to do with the information.
Unfortunately, this idea is like the perpetual motion concepts: totally against the laws of physics, therefore unrealizable.
Contrat this with the following: a set of 4 to 8 stick-on match box sized modules that you attach to the walls of the room, which then detect all the RF stuff in there, and send the data to your smart device (of your choice), which compiles it all and gives you the picture you need, as colorful as you need. But hey! that is doable today!!!

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Eyetube

1/5/2012 10:57 AM EST

I spent many years working on the design of RF equipment and many hours chasing spurious radiation from transmitters in excess of that allowed by various regulatory agencies. I often dreamed of something like your spray but I always envisioned a pair of glasses that contained a frequency converter to upconvert the frequency I was working on to something in the visible spectrum. "RF Eyeballs"

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