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Dell, IBM give thumbs up to ARM servers

Rick Merritt

5/17/2010 3:38 PM EDT

SAN JOSE, Calif. — Dell Inc. will test this summer multicore ARM processors from Marvell Technology Group for possible use in low-power servers for large data centers. The company has already shipped a few thousand low-power servers based on x86 processors from Taiwan's Via Technologies Inc.

Separately, an executive from IBM Corp. said Big Blue backs the trend toward new low power architectures for servers. But he declined to give any specifics about what, if anything, it is doing with ARM chips.

The OEMs are among the latest to declare their interest in ARM-based servers for applications constrained by power budgets that don't need the muscle—or cost—of Intel x86 systems. One of the main target markets are large data centers such as those run by Web 2.0 companies such as Facebook.

Paul Prince
CTO, Enterprise Products Group, Dell Inc.

"We've been all over this," said Paul Prince, chief technology officer for Dell's enterprise products group. "About a year and a half ago, we put a LAMP [Linux, Apache, MySQL and Python] stack on an ARM A8 core," in one test, said Prince.

About two years ago the company built for at least one large data center customer 5,000 or more custom servers using a notebook x86 chip from Via. "That was an early indicator that there was a market pull" for low-power servers, he said.

Dell's next step will be to benchmark this summer a multicore ARM Cortex A9 based SoC aimed at servers from Marvell. Last week, Marvell said it will ship 40nm ARM-based server chips this year.

"There are a handful of pretty credible chip vendors—the Broadcoms and TIs are all working to sell their vision of this," said Prince. "Marvell is at the top of the short list," he added.

Broadcom has made no public statements about ARM servers. The market is still young and will initially be "mainly limited to Web and file servers," said Simon Assouad, a senior product line manager in Broadcom's Ethernet controller group

IBM would not reveal its plans, but Bernie Meyerson, an IBM fellow and vice president of innovation, said the company backs the trend to new low power architectures for servers.

Bernie Meyerson
Vice President of Innovation, IBM Corp.

Because the ARM server movement is based on Linux, "it is open source and IBM long ago endorsed the open movement," said Meyerson. "We have probably shipped hundreds of thousands of products with ARMs in them already," he added, referring to systems other than servers.

"The creation of yet another ecosystem won't disrupt anyone who has the capability to use it," he said. "If you can do your own designs, it’s a differentiator not a liability," he added.

Meyerson predicted the rise of ARM servers would lead to a new generation of more optimized products.

"We're going from an era of general purpose processors to application-specific processors, and now we will go from general-purpose computers to application-specific servers," he said. "People will start to examine these machines and they will tend to be more appliance-like," he added.

The trend to ARM-based servers mirrors what happened with IBM's BlueGene supercomputer design, Meyerson said. IBM created a radically more powerful and less power hungry supercomputer with BlueGene by building a new system architecture around an array of simplified PowerPC 440 cores. For some time the BlueGene systems were ranked as the most powerful in the world.





dwarfpower

5/19/2010 2:27 PM EDT

Why would IBM, that has a complete range of power architecture processor, from SOC to full blown high end server chip, pay to ARM for the use of processor they don't need.


Power is available from 32nm and from 1.3W from memory. Linux runs very well on these, and IBM has all the necessary leverage to include in their chip any optimised part to tackle data center tasks on low power chips without suffering from lack of computing capacity

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avil

5/19/2010 5:44 PM EDT

Over the last year 200,000 new application were written for ARM Arch, not much was written for PPC

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dwarfpower

5/20/2010 12:50 AM EDT

These 200.000 are mostly processor agnostic and depend on their associated OS and not on the underlying processor.

PPC runs linux perfectly well, and i don't see IBM paying royalties to his competitor except in deer need

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rick.merritt

5/20/2010 6:58 PM EDT

How does Power compare to ARM in Mips/W?

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dwarfpower

5/21/2010 12:57 AM EDT

powerpc 476 is annouced at 2.5 DMIPS/MHz with frequencies of 1.6GHz ( 4000 MIPS) running at 1.6

A9 is announced at 2 DMIPS/MHz. core power dissipation is 250mW, but i couldn't find SoC's data

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timemerchant

11/3/2011 6:45 AM EDT

PowerPC was excellent for Linux support and certainly networking. Graphics support was a bit poor for integrated display drivers, but when Apple decided to drop the 970 PowerPC to go with Intel, that was the end of IBM's 64-bit world. Palo Alto Semi with their dual 64-bit PowerPC was swallowed by Apple with not much to show and seem to have upset many of their engineers who left their new owners. Forget the CPU power, spinning a fan or a hard drive will dwarf the power consumption. I guess it comes down to doing business with IBM, so other than games consoles in their millions, it can't be that easy.

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