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Cisco's miss sends jitters in supply chain
8/12/2010 7:35 PM EDT
SAN JOSE, Calif. - Cisco Systems Inc. on Wednesday (Aug. 11) posted lackluster results-a move that could impact select chip makers, such as Cavium, NetLogic and others.
Cisco reported fourth quarter net sales of $10.8 billion, net income on a generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP) basis of $1.9 billion or $0.33 per share, and non-GAAP net income of $2.5 billion or $0.43 per share. Net sales increased 27 percent year-over-year, while income jump 79 percent.
There appears to be a sudden slowdown in the cell-phone, PC and other product segments-a trend that impacts chip makers. Now, there is a slowdown in one of the hottest markets to date: LEDs. With Cisco's mixed report, could communications be next?
''Cisco reported Q4 FY10 revenue of $10.8 billion, slightly below consensus of $10.9 billion. Revenue was at the high-end of guidance; therefore, the slight revenue miss was more so a function of consensus estimates being too aggressive,'' said Gary Mobley, an analyst at Benchmark, in a report.
''Fourth-quarter product orders grew 23 percent. The midpoint of Cisco’s Q1 FY11 (October) revenue guidance is $10.73 billion (up 19 percent year-over-year) versus prior consensus of $10.95 billion. Management commented that the pace of the global economic recovery has slowed, and accordingly, management wants to be conservative with guidance,'' he said.
Cisco and the company’s manufacturing partners buy approximately 1 percent of all semiconductors produced globally, according to the report. As a result, Cisco's chip vendors-such as Cavium and NetLogic-could be impacted.
Cisco represented 25 percent of Cavium’s first-half 2010 revenue, up from 20 percent of 1H FY09 revenue. Cisco represented 29 percent of Netlogic’s 1H FY10 revenue.
''While Cisco’s business continues to grow, the company reported revenue and provided guidance slightly below consensus,'' he said. ''Based on Cisco’s business trends, there is no evidence that companies such as Cavium Networks or Netlogic Micro will miss 2H CY10 consensus expectations. However, both chip companies will likely enter a mode of simply hitting consensus versus the beat-and-raise results posted over the past year. Cavium and Netlogic both guide conservatively and typically cushion guidance with intra-quarter softness at Cisco, the largest customer for both companies.''
MIPS Technologies Inc. ''has some indirect exposure to Cisco,'' he said. ''Many of the processors used in Cisco’s routers, switches and set-top boxes are MIPS-based, and accordingly, MIPS collects royalties from the merchant suppliers of those processors.''
Atheros Communications Inc. is another Cisco customer. ''Cisco likely represents no more than 5 percent of Atheros’ revenue. For FY10 and FY11, Entropic Communications will likely derive 5 percent to 10 percent of sales from Cisco’s Scientific Atlanta division (set-top boxes). Cisco likely represents only 5 percent of Broadcom Corp’s revenue,'' he said.
Cisco reported fourth quarter net sales of $10.8 billion, net income on a generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP) basis of $1.9 billion or $0.33 per share, and non-GAAP net income of $2.5 billion or $0.43 per share. Net sales increased 27 percent year-over-year, while income jump 79 percent.
There appears to be a sudden slowdown in the cell-phone, PC and other product segments-a trend that impacts chip makers. Now, there is a slowdown in one of the hottest markets to date: LEDs. With Cisco's mixed report, could communications be next?
''Cisco reported Q4 FY10 revenue of $10.8 billion, slightly below consensus of $10.9 billion. Revenue was at the high-end of guidance; therefore, the slight revenue miss was more so a function of consensus estimates being too aggressive,'' said Gary Mobley, an analyst at Benchmark, in a report.
''Fourth-quarter product orders grew 23 percent. The midpoint of Cisco’s Q1 FY11 (October) revenue guidance is $10.73 billion (up 19 percent year-over-year) versus prior consensus of $10.95 billion. Management commented that the pace of the global economic recovery has slowed, and accordingly, management wants to be conservative with guidance,'' he said.
Cisco and the company’s manufacturing partners buy approximately 1 percent of all semiconductors produced globally, according to the report. As a result, Cisco's chip vendors-such as Cavium and NetLogic-could be impacted.
Cisco represented 25 percent of Cavium’s first-half 2010 revenue, up from 20 percent of 1H FY09 revenue. Cisco represented 29 percent of Netlogic’s 1H FY10 revenue.
''While Cisco’s business continues to grow, the company reported revenue and provided guidance slightly below consensus,'' he said. ''Based on Cisco’s business trends, there is no evidence that companies such as Cavium Networks or Netlogic Micro will miss 2H CY10 consensus expectations. However, both chip companies will likely enter a mode of simply hitting consensus versus the beat-and-raise results posted over the past year. Cavium and Netlogic both guide conservatively and typically cushion guidance with intra-quarter softness at Cisco, the largest customer for both companies.''
MIPS Technologies Inc. ''has some indirect exposure to Cisco,'' he said. ''Many of the processors used in Cisco’s routers, switches and set-top boxes are MIPS-based, and accordingly, MIPS collects royalties from the merchant suppliers of those processors.''
Atheros Communications Inc. is another Cisco customer. ''Cisco likely represents no more than 5 percent of Atheros’ revenue. For FY10 and FY11, Entropic Communications will likely derive 5 percent to 10 percent of sales from Cisco’s Scientific Atlanta division (set-top boxes). Cisco likely represents only 5 percent of Broadcom Corp’s revenue,'' he said.
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mark.lapedus
8/12/2010 8:01 PM EDT
My guess the other comm OEMs are seeing a slowdown too. Watch out for a lull or slowdown!
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Rick Merritt
8/13/2010 12:44 AM EDT
I'm no economics PhD, but I suspect what we are seeing here is what's happening in the overall economy. We are still in a recovery and there is still growth but growth is slowing...not a big retrenchment or double dip recession, just a slowdown in growth.
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garydpdx
8/13/2010 8:26 AM EDT
Rick, CNN Money or CNBC mentioned on Thursday that Cisco's quarter ends a month later than everyone else, an offset that let it factor in July's performance. That said, it isn't just conditions in the US but worldwide, where Cisco derives over half its revenues (I believe; actual figure appreciated!). I'm optimistic that we're only seeing a slowdown to a low, low rate of growth and not a falling into recession. PC and other tech purchases came in a spurt after a long lull so it wasn't wise to look at the last half of 2009, first half of 2010 as the new normal. It will be something between that, and the present breather after making those orders.
I'm probably not the only one (as well as my firm) who bought a bunch of tech stuff in the last half of 2009, first half of 2010 so we're good for about three to even five years, give or take.
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KB3001
8/14/2010 12:00 PM EDT
Completely agree. The world economy as a whole has just come out of the brink. To expect the same levels of growth seen just after a terrible trough is simply not realistic. We are into a relatively long period of sluggish growth I should think. Perhaps that's not such a bad thing after the excesses of the last decade...
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chanj
8/13/2010 1:17 AM EDT
It's not really a surprise that CISCO has revenue jumped in last quarters as mobile communication thrives. Will the grow sustain in the rest of the years is still a big question mark. I guess there are a lot of factors. Competition coming from far east may be one of them, wouldn't it?
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KB3001
8/14/2010 12:05 PM EDT
The above figures do not suggest that as the difference between forecasted and actual performance is quite small. It would be interesting to see how the likes of Huawei are doing though. Any figures out there?
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junko.yoshida
8/14/2010 2:55 PM EDT
Hi, KB3001. I think you are spot on. I think this has a lot more to do with the escalating competition on the comms market rather than the comms market going through another downturn.
Those supplying chips to the comms market are pretty bullish -- including Freescale.
See the story on "MIPS vs Power: Truth about comms market share"
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Jimelectr
8/15/2010 12:48 AM EDT
Hmmm... I have seen our (Broadcom's) stock take a hit in the last few days, but in the longer term, at least in the wireless group where I work, there's no slowdown by a long shot. We're working on new chips like there's no tomorrow. I sure hope that 5 percent figure for Cisco's contribution to Broadcom's revenue is accurate. Typically 3rd quarter (I believe ending at the end of Sept.) is very strong for wireless as our customers ramp up for the holidays. That will probably offset any dips in the networking group.
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goafrit
8/16/2010 7:53 AM EDT
Simply, US is getting into another recession. It is double dip and after this we will have another one.There is nothing fundamental about the health of the US economy because the system is rigged. You cannot allow banks to make easy money with near zero interests when other sectors have to earn their profits. With the system with FED, banks have no incentives to loan since no matter what they make money. It is tough ahead and Cisco result is just the beginning.
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