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rick.merritt

8/17/2010 10:53 AM EDT

It's interesting and a little scary that the Oracle suit says Android system ...

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Nebbish

8/16/2010 12:22 PM EDT

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Oracle's Google suit won't chill Android

Rick Merritt

8/13/2010 1:21 PM EDT

SAN JOSE, Calif. – Oracle filed civil suit against Google this week in U.S. District Court in San Jose claiming Google's Android software violates Java patents Oracle acquired with Sun Microsystems. But I would not expect the move to chill the enthusiasm for using Android in everything from iPhone-like smartphones to insulin pumps.

The suit is something Google could easily settle out of court by striking a licensing deal with Oracle. Indeed, it's likely Oracle is using the suit to get the search giant's attention or Oracle's desired price in negotiations for just such a patent license.

Google will need to make a calculation about the legal costs of the suit versus a settlement. In either case, its costs will likely be tiny compared to the opportunity for controlling the leading mobile systems software stack, the basis for the next big wave of Google's search and advertising businesses.

Apparently, Google has decided to fight based on this canned statement just sent to me from a Google spokesperson:

"We are disappointed Oracle has chosen to attack both Google and the open-source Java community with this baseless lawsuit," the spokesman said.

"The open-source Java community goes beyond any one corporation and works every day to make the web a better place. We will strongly defend open-source standards and will continue to work with the industry to develop the Android platform," he said.

Whatever the costs of the suit or a settlement they are not likely to be so great that Google would risk charging royalties for Android and potentially scaring OEMs into the arms of an alternative software stack. Even through the recession and the current sluggish recovery, Google is raking in too much cash to make that an attractive option. It remains to be seen, however, if Oracle would take the bold step of suing an HTC or Motorola.

At the end of the day, the suit is just business--Oracle's effort to get a slice of the growing Android pie. If it didn't file, it would not be serving the interests of its shareholders.

Ironically, avoiding royalty costs to the likes of an Oracle or IBM is what likely motivated Google to develop its own virtual machine code, Dalvik, as a compatible alternative to Java. But regardless the quality of your clean room code, competitors can and will sue. Google was lucky to escape court for so long while the saga of the acquisition of Sun Microsystems played out.

Bill Weinberg, a veteran open source activist also sees the suit having limited impact. "Android is such a juggernaut that it's hard to imagine a suit putting a damper on adoption," he said.

"The need to duplicate/emulate substantial Java run-time functionality [in Android] seems to implicate the patents in question," Weinberg added.

Sun never found a way to make money on Java, and feared charging for the technology would hinder its adoption. By contrast, Oracle "may be hard pressed internally to show ROI for the Sun acquisition, and extracting a settlement from Google (possible) or run-time payments from Android licenses (improbable) would help," Weinberg said.

I'll go out on a short limb and make two assumptions about Oracle's motives based on this suit. Oracle continues to hate free software despite being the owner of Solaris, a bunch of Java patents and its own Linux distribution. For example, attendees to Oracle's systems roadmap event this week made it clear that while Solaris is available free, the company makes significant money selling maintenance contracts on it.

Secondly, you can bet Oracle is not in final negotiations for a big sale of servers or software to Google's data centers right now. Must be HP, IBM or Google's homegrown server channels are providing for them quite nicely at the moment.

The suit is now posted online. It alleges Google is violating seven Oracle patents—specifically U.S. patents numbers 6,125,447; 6,192,476; 5,966,702; 7,426,720; RE38,104; 6,910,205; and 6,061,520.

The suit asks for treble damages, claiming Google knew about the patents and even hired key Java engineers from Sun. It also asks for an injunction prohibiting Google from further distributing Android.

The suit also alleges Google has induced OEMs to violate the Java patent. "Users of Android, including device manufacturers, must obtain and use copyrightable portions of the Java platform or works derived therefrom to manufacture and use functioning Android devices," the suit says.

The suit (case number 10-3561) was filed in San Jose but assigned to Oakland's Judge Beeler. The documents are currently in transit according to court officials. Meanwhile, Computerworld has one of many reports on the suit.





rick.merritt

8/13/2010 1:28 PM EDT

Will the Oracle suit have any impact on your Android plans?

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betajet

8/13/2010 3:38 PM EDT

There's also a lot of commentary and links at both groklaw.net and en.swpat.org/wiki/Oracle_v._Google_(2010,_USA).

IANAL and haven't read the patents, but there seems to be a lot of indications that Oracle's patent claims are covered by prior art and/or obviousness. While they could be used to threaten a small company, a giant like Google that can afford to defend itself could very well invalidate the patents, though at huge expense to both parties. Perhaps shareholder interest would be better served using that money to design products?

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KB3001

8/14/2010 11:36 AM EDT

Understandable move by Oracle. I am not sure they will succeed in getting a licensing deal from Google though. Software is much more difficult to protect than hardware. Also, much of Android is open source as I understand. If that pushes Google to release it completely in the open, that'd be a good outcome of this story IMO. Any thoughts out there?

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giuann

8/14/2010 7:53 PM EDT

Oracle has a problem, they should have enforced the patent from the beginning. You can not have the community use it and when the product has a financial impact claim that now you want the royalties. Also Sun had proclaimed that "java was an open software, They should have done researches and use due diligence when they purchased Sun.
Google should sue them for unfair business practice and ask the trade commission to force Oracle to desist from using the patent as leverage tool to obtain unfair advantage from what, also, developed by the community.
The patent should be used only to maintain control on the development. Remember Sun vs MS.
What next? MySql?

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jimcondon

8/15/2010 5:20 PM EDT

It's sad when innovation like Android is attacked by patent holders. One has to wonder how this will affect the adoption of Java in other areas. Now that Oracle has shown their willingness to let technologies come to market and sue after it becomes a successful product, how many others will support Java? Hopefully Oracle will rethink it's position and back down from this lawsuit.

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goafrit

8/16/2010 7:48 AM EDT

Oracle has a point here. If Google is using their patent, they must be punished. The difference between America and Africa is that the former has patent laws and firms can profit from inventions. In the latter, good ideas are hobbies because there is not protection for commercialization. Though I do not like Oracle marketing and bully strategy, in this case, they have a point.

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Nebbish

8/16/2010 12:22 PM EDT

For those of you (like me) who feel that the patent issue should have been raised earlier, and that waiting until a product is a success to collect royalties is not correct, I can only point out the NTP suit against RIM (and now just about anyone sending data over wireless) that resulted in a payment of over $600 million.

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rick.merritt

8/17/2010 10:53 AM EDT

It's interesting and a little scary that the Oracle suit says Android system makers need to obtain licenses to the Java patents. Will Oracle follow up with suits of Motorola and HTC?

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