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Hot Chips: Inside AMD's two new x86 cores
Rick Merritt
8/23/2010 8:01 PM EDT
SAN JOSE, Calif. -- Advanced Micro Devices will make its first public presentations on Bulldozer and Bobcat Tuesday (Aug. 24), its first new x86 cores designed from a clean sheet of paper in 10 years. The cores will form the underpinning of most of the products AMD will build over the next five to ten years to compete with archrival Intel in everything from data center servers to ultrathin netbooks.
The two papers at the annual Hot Chips conference focus on architectural details and provide almost no hard information about the performance of planned processors using the cores. It will take product announcements from both companies over the next year to gauge just how effective Bulldozer and Bobcat will be in the next round of battles for the mainstream computing market.
"Both cores are highly innovative, but the proof of the pudding is in the tasting and no one has had a chance to taste these guys," said Nathan Brookwood, principal of market watcher Insight64 (Saratoga, Calif.).
AMD has had silicon implementations of the cores working in its lab for at least a month. It has also sampled to at least one PC maker its Ontario processor, the first processor to use Bobcat cores, aimed at aimed at thin and light notebooks and netbooks.
Ontario, made in a 40nm TSMC process, will use two Bobcat cores, a Microsoft DirectX 11 graphics core and DDR3 memory. It is expected to ship in systems in the first half of next year.
First parts using Bulldozer which targets everything from mainstream notebooks to high-end servers will come toward the end of 2011. The longer time to market is due in part to the fact the chip is the second in line to be made in GlobalFoundries' 32nm process.
The fab's first major 32nm processor is AMD's Llano, the first member of AMD's Fusion family which merges x86 and graphics cores. Llano will use neither Bobcat nor Bulldozer but an enhanced version of an existing 45nm x86 core moved to a 32nm process.
According to a November briefing, Llano will sport four x86 cores and will come in versions using at least two different DX11 graphics cores all linked to DDR3 DRAM. Llano is expected to ship in the second half of next year.
Also on tap for next year is Zambezi, a high-end desktop chip using four to eight of the Bulldozer cores, but no integrated graphics. Bulldozer will also show up in two server processors in 2011.
AMD is expected to make public more details about its processor road map at an analyst conference in November. Meanwhile, there are many interesting clues to what the future may hold buried in the details of the new cores.
Next: Plowing inside Bulldozer


rick.merritt
8/24/2010 10:00 AM EDT
Will Bulldozer plow a new level in multicore processing, packing elements of multiple cores into one?
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hm
8/24/2010 10:28 AM EDT
It will be interesting to see Bobcat core and its product derivative in Embedded Systems market. Do this processor have special feature as regards to Real Time OS? Will AMD make this processor for Military temperature range, -55 C to 90 C and will it have WiDi capability?
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ttt3
8/24/2010 12:58 PM EDT
The extended operating temperature is an interesting point. The higher-end (Core i7, Core2) Intel CPUs are not available in the colder temperature range (down to -40 C or -55 C). Only the lower-end Atom is available in this temperature range. Wonder if AMD could differentiate themselves here. (Or if they, like Intel, don't really care about the relatively low-volume military/industrial segment).
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vivekv80
8/24/2010 3:14 PM EDT
I guess the leaner and newer AMD can now bulldoze Intel and probably compete with NVIDIA :)
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Pryderi
8/24/2010 4:26 PM EDT
I don't see AMD "bulldozing" Intel; even if the performance of these new chips surpasses Intel's best, it's not likely to be by a large margin as when the Athlon 64 was up against the Pentium 4 architecture, and Intel has plenty of resources to fight back. What it might mean (assuming that AMD's chips deliver on their promise) is that AMD will have a product line that can face Intel on equal terms throughout the performance spectrum, instead of being limited to the low end (and low margin) part of the business. That will improve their profitability, and thus their prospects for long-term survival.
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fdunn
8/24/2010 9:50 PM EDT
But you are forgetting that Intel charges 3 times the price on the higher end chips.
Even if AMD were to JUST come to parity with Intel it would mean that Intel's profits would tank.
AMD/ATI already has the full package with a GOOD graphics base, Intel has a long way to go to get there.
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octop
8/26/2010 4:53 AM EDT
It's not the matter of who created the most powerful CPU. It's the matter of remaining in profitable business. AMD don mind be the king of low-mid end processor maker.
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Charles.Nelson
8/24/2010 4:55 PM EDT
For Bulldozer it is more likely that AMD is attempting to maintain their 'Best Performance Per Watt' mantra. Which Bulldozer certainly sounds capable of achieving.
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octop
8/25/2010 12:30 AM EDT
Enough for the hardware multi-cores architecture. It's time for software / OS architecture to catch up.
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KB3001
8/25/2010 4:29 PM EDT
Absolutely. As welcome as these announcements are, the problem of programming these architectures efficiently and with a reasonable effort remains a major concern in the computer industry. I do not see much breakthroughs there...
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kinnar
8/25/2010 7:08 AM EDT
It is a great news that AMD has comeup with a new hardware platform for the chips used in pcs. It has to compete with Intel and Microsoft implementations.
The previous history says that AMD is not being able to successful in getting the market acceptance against Intel, and it is not being able to beat the competition.
Lets hope that this time the history will not get repeated and the society will get something that will reduce the prices of the PC such that PCs will get widely accepted in the average house hold and education sector.
We wish all the best to AMD.
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goafrit
8/25/2010 8:42 PM EDT
Great news for AMD. However, the hardware is becoming less of the problem, the big one is the software. Let us hope someone can put a competition in this sector. Good luck to AMD
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