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Baolt

11/24/2010 4:58 PM EST

Well, u dont consider ARM fact, who is getting more and more serious competitor ...

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docdivakar

11/16/2010 1:03 PM EST

Foundry businesses are indeed very competitive with low margins. Invariably, ...

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Will Intel be a big foundry player?

11/5/2010 2:33 PM EDT

SAN JOSE, Calif. – As reported, Intel Corp. this week took a step into the foundry business. Intel will lend its semiconductor process technology muscle to build FPGAs for programmable logic startup Achronix Semiconductor Corp. at 22-nm and beyond under the terms of a strategic agreement between the two companies announced Monday (Nov. 1).  

Executives from Achronix (San Jose, Calif.) said the deal would not only help the company bring 22-nm FPGAs to market faster than programmable logic market leaders Xilinx Inc. and Altera Corp., but also give the startup a leg up in 15-nm and future technology nodes.

For years, Intel has dabbled in the foundry and ASIC markets.  But the chip giant exited the ASIC business some years ago and has never been thought as a foundry player.

Now, there are signs that Intel is interested in the foundry business. It has reportedly hired a vice president in charge of foundry. Companies are approaching Intel about access to its fabs.  Perhaps Achronix is a guinea pig and the start of something big. Rumors are running rampant that FPGA startup SiliconBlue has approached Intel.

The question is will Intel become a foundry player or not? Will it challenge GlobalFoundries, Samsung, TSMC, UMC and others? Or will it just dabble in the arena?

Here’s some opinions from around the industry:

Peter Clarke, European news director at EE Times, said: "I think Intel will get involved in the foundry market. I think the days of the self-sufficient IDM are over. If you are a chip maker, you need volume—and there are plenty of fabless companies out there who will buy a piece of your manufacturing output. We see that Samsung has thrown its hat in the ring, and now Intel is dipping its toe. Intel of course will never be a pure-play foundry like TSMC, but it will be a chip maker that does foundry work like IBM, Samsung and others. TSMC will remain the leading pure-play foundry, but Intel can throw a wrench in the works by doing leading-edge processes for companies it see as strategic partners."


Dean Freeman, an analyst with Gartner Inc., said: ''Will Intel become a big foundry player? On the wireless or (FPGA) side, they have the potential of being a foundry player. Does Intel have the capital and manufacturing to be in the foundry business? Yes. But the question is can they compete at the same cost as TSMC, UMC and GlobalFoundries.’’


G. Dan Hutcheson, chief executive and chairman of VLSI Research Inc., said: ''Given the fact that Intel did not formally announce an entry into to foundry business, but instead disclosed as an arrangement with a fabless company, indicates that Intel is testing the waters, not plunging into them. Not formally announcing an entry into the foundry business means they can easily retreat if it doesn’t work. Intel is not a company that burns the ships when it arrives in a new world. So the risk is low and they will learn a lot. At the same time, releasing their 22-nm process to an outsider means Intel is very serious about winning – more serious than they have ever been. Does it make sense? The short answer is yes. Growth outside a core market is best done by utilizing core strengths. For Intel, this is processors and process. There is no reason to constrain themselves to PC processors. But this means they must move towards embedded processors. Pushing them in this direction is the fact that systems in embedded designs continue to look more like PCs, while applications for classical PCs are not outgrowing the market. Processors are integrating more, rather than just getting bigger, making them look more like an embedded device going forward.''


Mark LaPedus, semiconductor editor of EE Times, said: ''Clearly, Intel won’t fab parts for its competitors, such as AMD, Broadcom, Nvidia, Qualcomm and others. But there are some startups or non-competitive companies that may be interested in doing business at Intel, especially in baseband processors and FPGAs-and for good reason. The foundries, namely TSMC, fumbled the ball at the 40-nm node and struggled with the process. Wait until we get to the 28-nm node and beyond. I hear the foundries are struggling to ramp with good yields. And despite the denials, I hear the foundries are struggling with their high-k/metal-gate technologies. Intel has successfully put two generations of high-k in production.  Here’s one prediction: If the foundries fail to deliver high-k in time, watch out! Look for Altera, Xilinx and others to call on Intel. But there is more to the foundry business than just churning out parts. There is a service and IP mind-set. It’s really a service business, which is a whole new mind-set.  Intel’s focus is processors. Beyond processors, the chip giant has never really found much success. We see that Intel is re-entering the wireless chip space with the acquisition of Infineon’s wireless business. I see Intel flopping in wireless again. I see Intel making a strong push in the foundry business. I see modest success for them. But TSMC CEO Morris Chang must keep a close eye on GlobalFoundries, Samsung, and now Intel.''


Dylan McGrath, editor of EETimes.com, said: "I don't believe Intel has the willingness, desire or intention to become a significant foundry player. Intel's manufacturing technology is the envy at all, but it is dedicated to Intel. The company has the capacity it needs to build parts for its business, and it's not going to sacrifice its position there to dedicate its lines to other companies. Intel may be dabbling in foundry work, but in the face of a sharp upturn in business, foundry customers (including Achronix) will see their orders take a back seat to demand for Intel products, just as we have seen with other IDMs who dabbled in foundry in the past. This deal may be partly about Intel trying its hand in foundry and experimenting with the possibilities, but in my view it has more to do with getting its feet wet with programmable logic technology—specifically Achronix' asynchronous logic technology."


Bryan Lewis, an analyst with Gartner, said the foundry alliance between Intel and Achronix ''surprised me. Intel wants to experiment with FPGA products in the fab.’’


Rob Lineback, an analyst with IC Insights, said: ''My main thought is that returns on investment in the foundry business are no where close enough to Intel's profit margins to make much sense for the company to be pursuing contract wafer manufacturing.  Other IDMs are involved in foundry manufacturing, partly to fill wafer fabs, but that shouldn't be an issue at Intel.  The only thing that makes sense is that Intel would have something else at stake, such as wanting to gain access to technology or an investment in the company it's producing products for."   


Rick Merritt, editor-at-large for EE Times,
said: ''This will be a big question for the company to wrestle with. On one hand, it has a very independent culture and an entrenched ‘copy exact’ methodology and little experience in chip-level customers. On the other hand, it is the single largest owner of fabs in an increasingly fabless and fab lite industry. And it has a long history of willingness to try new things. This would seem to set the stage for a great internal conflict within the soul of an industry bellwether.’’


Gus Richard, an analyst with Piper Jaffray & Co., said: ''We believe over the next couple of years a critical shortage of chips is going to develop. We are becoming increasingly aware of technology hurtles in leading edge logic, DRAM, and flash that will limit supply growth. We see evidence of OEMs striking long-term partnerships with chip makers and companies are approaching Intel for foundry services, not the other way around.’’












SiliconAsia

11/5/2010 5:52 PM EDT

Intel needs a vehicle to test their 22nm process before CPU and FPGA (Other than Xilinx and Altera) is a good candidate for them. If successful, it's good for both Intel and Achronix. But Can Intel supply a volume to Achronix? Waiting to be seen....

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RobDinsmore

11/5/2010 8:13 PM EDT

Maybe they see this as a possible way to transition to 450mm fabs. Intel has a huge 300mm fab network that will not be of that much use when/if they transition to 450mm.

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KB3001

11/5/2010 8:15 PM EDT

Intel is clearly testing the waters with this deal. I am not sure Achronix business is of interest to Intel, but it's a good guinea pig to test their 22nm technology as well as the foundry model especially with the extra capacity Intel has at the moment.

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mark.lapedus

11/6/2010 12:39 AM EDT

KB3001, Good comment. Any more out there?

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tektonikshift

11/6/2010 1:06 PM EDT

Intel has dabbled in custom chip business before, each time backing out when economy and CPU sales increased.

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3D Guy

11/6/2010 2:11 PM EDT

I think Intel will announce an acquisition of Achronix at some point (if things work well with this deal).

At 22nm and below, one needs very high volumes to be successful... FPGAs could form one such business. I think Intel wants to get into the FPGA space, especially since many of the basic FPGA patents from the 1980s have expired. Its one of the few businesses in semiconductors with similar gross margins to Intel's x86 business.

Instead of building a FPGA team within Intel, Intel is probably trying to get into the FPGA business through the Achronix team. Its not an easy road though... Achronix is a startup without enough volume, they will lose a lot of money trying to build products at 22nm and below due to high NRE costs (till they get enough customers and break-even)

Note though, that this is all speculation on my part!!!

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mark.lapedus

11/7/2010 11:30 AM EST

If so 3D, will Intel suceed in FPGAs or not? Thoughts out there?

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sranje

11/7/2010 6:21 PM EST

Here are my 2 cents:
1. Intel might acquire Achronix - if the company's approach has value and merits for Intel's needs
2. There is a scenario in which TSMC might need Intel in its core business. Only Intel and IBM have world-class research labs in materials and process research.
In this scenario GlobalFoundries has an advantage in HK/MG over TSMC but is also not viable without a full symbiosis with IBM. A corollary is that TSMC, a superb manufacturing company, might need partnership with Intel (or IBM !?) to move beyond silicon, in 14nm and below.

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dnenni

11/7/2010 11:54 PM EST


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Out of the 5 stated outcomes I pick #6.

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3D Guy

11/8/2010 6:29 AM EST

@ Mark: I actually don't know if Intel will succeed in FPGAs if it tries to enter the market with Achronix. There are established market leaders, Xilinx and Altera, with high volumes, the chances for a new entrant making it is small :-( As you'd know, many (including Intel) have tried and failed before.

In general, though, over the past few months, we have seen Intel try really hard to diversify. They have:
(1) Bought a software company - McAfee, to try and diversify into the software business
(2) Bought Infineon's wireless chip business, to diversify into cell phones
(3) Have agreed to serve as a foundry for Achronix... my interpretation is that they're trying to enter the FPGA business with this.

If I were Intel's CEO, I personally would not try to shoot in all directions like this. They're trying to enter three different market segments: software, wireless chips and FPGAs all at the same time!!!!!

I would pick one high growth area, focus on it and try to succeed in that, then try to diversify further. If I were Intel, I would have bought Xilinx or Altera first to get into FPGAs. It is widely expected that FPGAs will form a $50B market in 10 years time because ASICs will be unaffordable for everything except the highest volumes. FPGAs are easy to print lithographically, and there would be good synergy with Intel's fabs and scaling roadmap. Then, after the acquisition is sewn up, I would try to enter other high margin markets such as software. The wireless chip business has too much competition, and margins are low, I wouldn't try to go there.

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Baolt

11/24/2010 4:58 PM EST

Well, u dont consider ARM fact, who is getting more and more serious competitor for intel at where they are leading the world. ARM will move in to server business, rolling out 64bit chip desings etc. which are good warning messages to a giant who should keep its place. if id be intels head id go for all possible markets in order to diversify companies business units.

With latest announcement its more clear that intel admin fellows are thinking in the same way. They entered to FPGA business with embedding their Atom. Xilinx, altera etc. are giant players of fpga but depended on foundry. Intel not.

Intel still growing its factory muscle, and can easily play as foundry, they have everything they need. Lots of fabless co.s who are in search for cheap, reliable production, leading research facilities...

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3D Guy

11/8/2010 6:50 AM EST

Would also like to add that I don't think it makes sense for Intel to get into the foundry business. This is for two reasons:

- Their fabs are in the US and Europe and are very very expensive!!!! TSMC's wafer cost in their Taiwan fab can be as much as 40% lower than the wafer cost of Intel's fab in the US due to all kinds of government incentives (labor costs help a little bit too).

- Being a foundry is a low margin business compared to doing x86 processors... if Intl are successful in the foundry business and draw large revenues in that area, they will get blasted by Wall St., since their overall gross margin will come down.

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CarpeDiem

11/8/2010 4:24 PM EST

Do watch this video from about 2 years ago by Shekhar Borkar of Intel Research. He warns of impending problems with reliability of devices at future nodes. Could it be that Intel is planning for the future with all these efforts to diversify and this latest stride into reconfigurability ?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9206541712979151591#

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gutiea

11/8/2010 4:29 PM EST

My bet is that Intel would spun out 300 mm Fabs one by one into a Pure Play Foundry that Intel controls 51%, and then transition to 450 mm with processors and wireless using fully owned Fabs. It would be a cost cutting move designed to limit the risk of migrating to 450 mm in the US while gradually building up capacity overseas. Intel could operate relatively low volume lines at 450 mm for leading edge high margin products while gradually squeezing everyone else out of the Foundry business using the 300 mm lines as workhorses operating at near full capacity.

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HexDigital

11/9/2010 10:54 AM EST

Intel has:
(1) Bought a software company - McAfee, to try and diversify into the software business
(2) Bought Infineon's wireless chip business, to diversify into cell phones
(3) Have agreed to serve as a foundry for Achronix...

Can you think of integrating all these three area and plus Intel's powerful processor muscle? What is Intel heading to?

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Nis79

11/9/2010 11:38 AM EST

Partnership might be part of Intel's plan for the new Intel Atom family called Stellarton . Stellarton is planned to be a reconfigurable processor, Ideally an Intel Atom processor clubbed with an FPGA on a multi-chip package providing additional flexibility for customers to incorporate proprietary I/O.

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docdivakar

11/16/2010 1:03 PM EST

Foundry businesses are indeed very competitive with low margins. Invariably, they will have to be situated in low labour cost locations. I am not sure where Intel plans to execute the Achronix projects, it will have to be an Asian location to make a few bucks off of this business model.

At present, the only confirmed Intel 22nm fab is in Chandler AZ; Intel’s 45nm fab in Israel apparently waiting for the 22nm upgrade. There is certainly a bigger delta between US and Asian locations, so Israel location may end up providing a temporary buffer for cost containment till the Asian locations are operational.

As regards to value addition and consequently higher profit margins, I remember reading about Intel planning to offer III-V channel materials, multi-gate transistors, 3-D stacking and others. 3D stacking is a hot topic at the moment and may see Intel’s mass production in the near future.

Dr. MP Divakar

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