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Etmax

3/2/2011 7:52 PM EST

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Robotics Developer

2/27/2011 10:48 PM EST

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Apple reveals increasing child labor problem

Peter Clarke

2/21/2011 8:59 AM EST



LONDON – Apple, the company that has set mobile phone and computer trends with its iPhone and iPad, has reported it has a growing problem with its Chinese suppliers using workers under the legal age of 16 years.

Apple has published it latest annual report into the employment practices of its suppliers and revealed rising underage labor, despite its own efforts to address the problem.

Many of Apple's suppliers are in China and in recent years Chinese factories have turned to labor agencies and schools to help them obtain the needed numbers of workers, Apple said in the report. In China the minimum working age is 16 years. Apple commented in its progress report "We learned that some of these recruitment sources may provide false IDs that misrepresent young people’s ages, posing challenges for factory management."

And the problem is getting worse.

Apple's audit in 2010 revealed 91 cases of underage labor. In the equivalent report in 2009, 25 instances were discovered.




yalanand

2/21/2011 10:26 AM EST

Atlast APPLE has realised that it has to act to stop the labour law violations. This is the right step in the right direction from APPLE.This would definitely increase the reputation of the APPLE inc as employee friendly firm.

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goafrit

2/21/2011 11:34 AM EST

Good effort by Apple. I hope more companies can follow this path and restore dignity to labor by allowing kids to be kids again. Apple is a cool place

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milosb55

2/21/2011 12:09 PM EST

Apple should lead a novel effort and to move at least some of its manufacturing back to this country (USA).

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Trp L Play

2/22/2011 11:40 AM EST

Agree, and maybe, just maybe they could put some Americans to work.

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aredesuyo

2/21/2011 2:25 PM EST

Allowing kids to be kids "again"? Adults-only labor restrictions are a relatively new phenomenon. Now people get to keep being kids well into their 30s.

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mr88cet

2/21/2011 4:11 PM EST

Another curious cultural twist on this is that, in China, people are traditionally defined to have an age of "1" at birth. According to my wife (from China), it's more or less a nod to the fact that they were conceived nearly a year earlier.

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Wilton.Helm

2/22/2011 12:39 PM EST

There are (and have been) a number of cultures that count age from 1 year at birth. Several ancient cultures did similar things for years a king reigned etc. In general it has less to do with the 9 month gestation period than with the fact that for much of history, the concept of zero did not exist. Calling an infant 1 year old was in effect saying, "this is year one of their life", akin to our use of the phrase "first year". The counted from the beginning of the year, rather than the end.

Never the less, the point is well taken here that 16 years old in China would be younger than 16 years old in the US.

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phlei

2/21/2011 4:24 PM EST

China elite is working hard on the internet censor effectively. If they spare some resource on this issue and the quality control as they do in the intellegence gathering, there will be no problem at all in China. Basically the government is taking a stance to support instead of enforcing. Apple is a foreign company and shouldn't the responsibility for her to enforce, it is Chinese government's law enforcers' responsibility...

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Wazza Matter

2/21/2011 4:27 PM EST

Flipping Burgers in the US or trouble shooting code in China. Young teens want money to buy things. The only difference being is that in the US, flipping burgers is looked as a form of maturity while using brain power and working on microprocessors at a young age is framed as sweatshop labor. How about if the US focuses on amping up their math and science teachers and programs so that US teens don't have to stoop to flipping burgers for fun money???????

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pixies

2/21/2011 5:30 PM EST

Those child labor in China are not doing coding, they are simply working on the assembly line.

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cthoma

2/25/2011 5:33 PM EST

Instead of earning $7.50 per hour flipping burgers, US kids are welcome to move to Shenzhen China to solder on an assembly line for $7.50 per week.

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StevePxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

2/21/2011 4:37 PM EST

If work is so bad, how about the "horrors" of
child labor in the US !

Why do we have a summer vacation?
So children can work!

Why do we allow 13 year old kids to get driver
licenses if they live on a farm?
So children can work!

There is nothing magic about a 16th birthday.

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yenliangl

2/21/2011 9:06 PM EST

Those child labor in China are not working to buy fancy stuff, but for basic life support. Even the whole family needs their working on the assembly line.

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jchaze

2/21/2011 4:45 PM EST

Incredible! Praising the virtues of a firm for its defense of the children of China presents a seriously flawed view of the world.
What the hell was Apple doing in China in the first place. Or is politically incorrect to suggest we take food from the mouths of babes when there's a significant unemployment problem right here in the United States?

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ATUL SRIVASTAVA

2/22/2011 1:26 AM EST

In an iPhone with a BOM of USD175 and SW and IP costs of around USD50 , assembly and testing costs are around USD5 in China . If the same assembly is done in US , it will cost around USD50 . If apple can reduce its profit a bit then it is very much possible to shift these jobs to US .Also , there will be considerable savings in logistics too .

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will99878898

2/23/2011 9:36 PM EST

apple is in a good time now with sth can charge higher margin.
In general it will compete with someone like acer/lenovo in desktop etc. If their assembly cost 10x of acer then it's doomed.

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RandomJitter

2/25/2011 11:02 AM EST

"What the hell was Apple doing in China in the first place."

For the same reason all companies who produce high demand consumer products while taking into account the demands of share holders/Wall Street are in China.

BTW: I'm all for boosting U.S. manufacturing.

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webserver227

2/22/2011 2:34 AM EST

Apple should allow child labor under 16 but only for partime work. These young people really need the money to help out the family. Apple can help by hiring them partime basis at the same time let them continue school work. It is hard working people who will want to learn in school while helping out the faimly income at the same time. Give these young kids a chance to make some money. China is still a very poor nation overall. 800 million people in China are underclass making less than $2 bucks a day.

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Jeff.Petro

2/22/2011 10:06 AM EST

It's closer to $2 a month in rural areas. $60/year was also a number I heard while over there. That being said, the culture is so radically different that comparing the two is like comparing apples to fishing rods.

Apple is just doing damage control like any other company might do. They know child labour is an issue and by publicly stating it, they hope their customers will forgive them. The backlash in this case is much less than it would be if a media source 'leaked' the info.

Ideally, they should move the work back to North America but profit margin would never allow that to happen. The other possibility is to accept that children in China need to work to help support their parents/grandparents and help create a system where the kids could go to work and school at the same time.

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BalaLak

2/24/2011 8:18 AM EST

I agree that Apple is most probably doing this to reduce backlash. Child labor is there, Apple cannot do much about it, so why not publicly announce it and claim they are trying to do something about it to garner public support. In a highly unregulated labor market like China, there is no way any company can ensure that all workers are above legal age, so not using that country is the only way to avoid it, if...if the company really doesn't like it.

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webserver227

2/22/2011 2:40 AM EST

Do you see young people in America worked and then help the family out? No, American youths do not work to help out the family or even go to school to learn and study hard because our government pays everything for them including free healthcare, school and food. No need for young people to work to help out the family anymore. I guess America must be rich. This is why your taxes WILL go up again and again.

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prabhakar_deosthali

2/22/2011 5:05 AM EST

apart from the child labor, I have seen some Chinese companies working for IPHONE applications development, forcing adult workers to put in an average of 12 hours per day ( and no weekends and no excuses even for females) without paying any extra money.

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Code Monkey

2/22/2011 9:57 AM EST

Apple had to start monitoring its suppliers after too many Foxconn Highdives. By actually reporting child labor statistics instead of sweeping them under the rug, Apple gets a big PR win. I wonder if they have a report about sweatshop working conditions for those over 16.

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CommonSense

2/22/2011 12:28 PM EST

Many of us in the semiconductor industry have signed on to the EICC or UN Global Compact to reduce or eliminate child labor, among other issues. A company like Apple has LOTS of leverage to get their suppliers to do the same...if they want to persuade them. If all of Apple's customers knew, and cared, about these issues and put pressure on Apple then change would happen. Any bad publicity that endangers the bottom line can have results, esepcially since that is all Apple really cares about.

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elctrnx_lyf

2/22/2011 12:39 PM EST

The companies should have a stict rules to provide the contracts to the chinese manufacturing companies. Those who are not adhered have to be given a strong couple warnings and then if still there is a lapse probably they can better stop giving out any orders.

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selinz

2/22/2011 2:21 PM EST

Are we willing to pay another $25/phone in order to have a "child labor free" sticker on our iphone?

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jtao

2/22/2011 4:53 PM EST

Why should we pay?

Apple has huge profit margin.

Every iphone they made hundreds of dollars.

And they tried their best to get every penny from those poor suppliers...

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RandomJitter

2/25/2011 11:10 AM EST

"And they tried their best to get every penny from those poor suppliers... "

Uh yeah, it's called business negotiations. If the "poor supplier" thought the deal was bad, they should not engage. However, I suspect Apple (and other successful product companies) has had a net positive impact on the success and wealth of their suppliers.

On the downside, and reported on EETimes, those suppliers NOT in the Apple stream have seen a negative effect on their bottom line.

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chanj

2/22/2011 6:06 PM EST

In terms of humanity, I agree with what Apple does. In terms of management, I don't understand why Apple would bother. At the end of the day, Apple is outsourcing the works to elsewhere where the labor law is likely different from that in the States. If the manufacturer is violating the law to deliver a product the Apple, shall Apple be punished or shall the manufacturer be. There are reasons there are underaged labors. We can't simply make an assumption that the underaged labors earn low wages compared to the counterpart. We need to understand the developing world, not using our perception of living in a developed world.

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kinnar

2/23/2011 12:54 PM EST

You might be right if the suppliers are the direct employees of Apples then apple should look for this kind of matters, otherwise if the suppliers are only getting the percentage out of sale then the saying of apple should be justifying the local employment economics.
If the suppliers are franchisees then the franchisers should format strict policies.

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Baolt

2/23/2011 6:35 PM EST

F ellows, let dont forget the basic subject of this article. Working kids!

Let be honest, who would like to or allow their kids at western countries to work as hell, and get paid ridiculously at factories where people are behaved as robots? No matter for whom, for apple, contractora etc. its the basic of human being, kids should live, be as kids, we adults should guarantee that they d live so. Its black humor if at our hometown we talk about human rights but when subject is related to pampering, serving us, playing 3 monkeies. No matter its Apple, samsung or someone else we, people of earth should fight for exploiting children

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BalaLak

2/24/2011 8:32 AM EST

Child labor is extremely difficult to rein in. It's there in China, it's there in India and in countless other countries. The parents of such kids cases either support it or just cannot force the kids to go to school, they being illiterate themselves and cannot really get their kids to imbibe that habit of studying. In a short while, some of the kids cannot cope at school and drop out. The labor market picks them up like hot cakes. The society at large (I speak for India here) condones this and only a few social activists stand up against child labor.

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katgod

2/25/2011 2:36 PM EST

It is interesting to to me how many different realities are represented here and how we think everyone should live in our reality. Does this mean there is no such thing as wrong, I don't think so but getting everyone to agree on it maybe very difficult as they are fond of saying in Japan. As several people mentioned we don't even all count age the same.

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Les.Pingel

2/25/2011 3:29 PM EST

At least they can get kids to work... I had to pay my nephew $10/hr to help me cut firewood for his grandmother this winter, and he stopped after only two days around his Christmas break from school. We had to switch from hauling small square hay bales to the large round ones we can move with a tractor because "kids" are too busy here in Missouri to work on a farm in the summer time. I'd be happy to pay Chinese kids $10/hr if they can get over here to run a chain saw and use a bale hook - it would give me more time to write software...

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JLS

2/25/2011 4:32 PM EST

I find it hard to believe that there were only 91 cases of underage workers when the factories employ 800K employees! I'm guessing these were only the ones who were not clever enought to not get caught. I am guessing if they were not working in the factory, they would have been in the fields instead where the pay is even worse. In a poor country it is hard to enforce child labor laws because everone in the family needs to contribute. I doubt the parents of those child laborers were complaining. I am not condoning this, but our standards are not universal.

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agk

2/27/2011 11:06 AM EST

Ther is a big shortage of low cost work force every where. So the children who are not properly guided by their parents enter into child labour. If they do not do this no place for them till they are 16 or 18.Where will they go ?What will they do? Those with good IQ can be put back in schools and the others ?

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Silicon_Smith

2/27/2011 3:50 PM EST

The problem is not one of guidance but that of poverty and means. China, like some of the other developing nations, has a large population with inadequate resources for the masses. Children get driven to labour because they dont go to schools anyway. And they could do with some money for the household. However, considering that Apple should work with quality suppliers, I am shocked to learn that even the better chinese companies are employing children for work!

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Robotics Developer

2/27/2011 10:48 PM EST

I wonder what the options are for the youth in China? If they don't go to work in the assembly factory is there something else that they can do? Are the alternatives safer, better conditions, better pay or worse? I would love to see more production here in the USA but the economics currently don't support it. If these companies are doing more good then harm I wonder if Apple's attempts to protect itself PR wise are helping or hurting the very people (kids) that we are concerned about?

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Etmax

3/2/2011 7:52 PM EST

The trick is to say to their supplier if you employ a child under aged our business goes elsewhere and actually do it. They shouldn't have all there manufacturing in one place anyway. The only thing that works with people that abuse children is a big stick. BTW, manufacturing in the US would add about $10-$20 to the average product. With Apple's enormous margins they could easily build in the US and remain competitive. They'd only have to cut their to exec's salaries few bucks.

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