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iniewski

5/18/2011 5:41 PM EDT

thank you @John, I do realize this is done thru multiple lanes/pins but I doubt ...

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John.D'Ambrosia

5/18/2011 1:52 PM EDT

Sorry guys, but i don't agree with you. In 802.3ba we forecasted 2015 for ...

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IEEE looks beyond 100G Ethernet

Rick Merritt

5/9/2011 12:32 AM EDT

SAN JOSE, Calif. – The IEEE has kicked off a new group to explore what comes after today's emerging 40 and 100 Gbit/second versions of Ethernet. The 802.3 Ethernet Bandwidth Assessment Ad Hoc group is gathering data from a broad range of sources now and plans to submit a report by June 2012.

At least two camps have proposed very different futures for Ethernet to date. Companies such as Google and Facebook that run big data centers have called for Terabit Ethernet as early as 2013 to handle the growth of mobile and video data. Component companies have proposed a more realistic half-step to 400 Gbit/s.

"You are really seeing a division between suppliers and customers," said John D'Ambrosia who chairs the new ad hoc group. "Customers are going to have to go back and sharpen their pencils because we are running into the limits of physics," said D'Ambrosia who is also a member of the CTO's office at Force10 Networks.

Component designers claim the Terabit goal is unrealistic. The industry is currently focused on a relatively challenging move from 10 to 25 Gbit/s serial rates, and bundling more than about 16 lanes into one network is not practical, D'Ambrosia said.

Even academics are not yet engaged in exploring serial rates beyond 25G. Part of the impetus for defining 25G products is to enable a new generation of 100G products based on four lanes of 25G each, reducing cost and complexity of the first-generation products that used ten 10G lanes.

The last major Ethernet standards effort, 802.3ba, was officially ratified in May 2010, defining both 40G and 100G data rates.

"It took some time for the group to reach consensus on doing both rates, and part of that was getting to an understanding of the needs for bandwidth," said D'Ambrosia who also chaired 802.3ba. "I learned my lesson once, and I don’t want to repeat that mistake," he said.

D'Ambrosia said he has been courting a wide range of sources to submit projections of their bandwidth needs to the new group including the New York Stock Exchange, carriers, Internet exchanges, R&D networks, content providers and the gaming community.

"I would love to see a final report with multiple chapters representing each area," he said.

In the meantime, engineers are working at full speed to enable a range of Ethernet capabilities using 25G serial signaling. They include a 100G Ethernet backplane and cabling effort also chaired by D'Ambrosia. Also in the works are new 100G standards for multimode and single-mode fibre optics expected to use 25G signaling.

"The industry is spending a lot of time and money on 25G right now," he said.

"We continue to see exponential broadband growth across the AT&T global IP backbone network, and appreciate the need for next-generation Ethernet standards to stay ahead of consumer demand," said Keith Cambron, president and chief executive officer of AT&T Labs, speaking in a prepared statement.

"It’s critical that Ethernet standards development keeps in front of the real-world needs of the marketplace so that network architectures are able to support growth in traffic without equivalent growth in operational costs and complexity," added Andrew Bach, senior vice president of communications and network infrastructure at NYSE Euronext, also in the press statement.





Brad Pierce

5/9/2011 2:03 PM EDT

According to http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/022411-terabit-ethernet.html , "With 400Gbps Ethernet on the horizon, 1Tbps Ethernet might not be a big enough jump in performance to warrant the effort, says Chris Cole, director of engineering at Finisar, which makes optical components and subsystems. In order to warrant investment in the generation after 400Gbps Ethernet, a fourfold increase - 1.4Tbps Ethernet -may be the more practical goal, he says. That speed increase might warrant the cost and effort involved in bringing it about."

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iniewski

5/9/2011 4:19 PM EDT

What is the value of 1 Tb/s standard? Clearly one IO pin on ASIC can't handle anything close to that bandwidth so multiple pins will be needed...if that is the case why not use parallel blocks of 100 Gb/s interfaces? What am I missing here? Kris

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elPresidente

5/9/2011 6:27 PM EDT

Transport grows at 4X. Ethernet grows 10X at each tech node. At each initiation of their respective tech nodes people say "impossible".
I think Google is in fantasyland as far as 2013 goes, but 4-5 years may be realistic.
Nobody cares about your ASIC, Kris. This is about backbone, infrastructure and backhaul and ABSOLUTELY will be needed - just a question of WHEN, not IF.

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iniewski

5/9/2011 6:32 PM EDT

I think people do care about "my" ASIC elPresidente...this is the device that send those bits across boards, backplanes etc, you are not implying these signals will be optical, do you?...but we agree on Google in 2013 in fantasy land ;-)...Kris

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John.D'Ambrosia

5/18/2011 1:51 PM EDT

Kris, People do care about your ASIC, but i think the point you are missing is that 100G is done over multiple lanes, i.e pins now.

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John.D'Ambrosia

5/18/2011 1:52 PM EDT

Sorry guys, but i don't agree with you. In 802.3ba we forecasted 2015 for Terabit Ethernet needs, and i have since seen other data supporting that. So 2 years is not really that big a difference considering it is coming from Google, who i think we can agree does not have AVERAGE bandwidth needs.

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rick.merritt

5/9/2011 6:32 PM EDT

@Brad: Chris Cole's proposal for 400G Ethernet is so far just that, an informal proposal. Many carriers and Web 2.0 giants would say it's not enough. I suspect the aim of this new Ad Hoc group is to get those folks comfortable with the fact that 400G is about as much as they can get in the next 3-5 years.

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rick.merritt

5/9/2011 6:34 PM EDT

@Kris: The value of Terabit Ethernet comes at the wire level in aggregation switches in a data center or metro links for a carrier. No one would expect it to get down to the chip level for, say, a decade or two.

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iniewski

5/18/2011 5:41 PM EDT

thank you @John, I do realize this is done thru multiple lanes/pins but I doubt you will be able to do 100 Gb/s serially ever...the best you can hope is to reduce number of lanes by increasing serial throughput from 10 Gb/s per pin to 25 Gb/s...@Rick: one-two decades until chip level impact? really long term prognosis, we might have photonic links by then ;-)...Kris

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