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Update: Ivy Bridge narrows AMD’s graphics lead
Rick Merritt
4/23/2012 9:25 AM EDT
SAN FRANCISCO – Intel rolled out today a family of Ivy Bridge CPUs, its first processors using its 22nm tri-gate technology and aimed at ultra thin and light notebooks. Analysts said the chips will narrow archrival AMD’s lead in graphics performance and inject new life into the notebook market under attack from tablets such as the Apple iPad.
AMD is said to be on the cusp of rolling out its next-generation CPUs, called Trinity. The chips are built in a 32nm process. AMD is not expected to field chips using the still scarce 28nm process until 2013.
By that time Intel will be moving on to Haswell, its first new microarchitecture to use its 22nm process. Intel typically gains a 10-20 percent performance advantage with the first chips, such as Ivy Bridge, to use a new process and a bigger performance boost for a new design, such as Haswell, optimized for that process, said Nathan Brookwood, principal of market watcher Insight64 (Saratoga, Calif.).
Ivy Bridge “will be very reminiscent of the state of play between Intel and AMD in recent years,” said Brookwood.
“The x86 cores in Ivy Bridge will likely outperform those of Trinity, but Trinity’s graphics cores will probably outperform those in Ivy Bridge,” he said.
Ivy Bridge marks Intel’s first chips with graphics that support Microsoft’s latest DirectX 11 graphics APIs, an edge AMD used to claim for itself. “Now AMD has to make an argument its implementation of DX11 is superior to Intel’s and that’s a tougher argument to make,” Brookwood said.
Both companies will support BGA packages with their new chips so processors can be soldered on to a motherboard without a socket, enabling the so-called ultrabooks, thin and light notebooks that imitate the Apple MacBook Air.
Intel defined the ultrabook category including a range of systems specifications on their start-up time, thickness, security features and other requirements. The specs drives costs for the systems which currently hover around $1,000 but could fall to $700-$800 later this year. Intel Capital created a $300 million fund to support the ultrabook concept.
By contrast, AMD is not requiring adherence to an ultrabook system spec. Thus its generally lower cost Trinity chips may be used to power cheaper thin and light notebooks that don’t bear the ultrabook name but cost as little as $600, Brookwood estimated.
AMD has typically battled with Intel offering at lower prices chips with roughly similar features and performance. Intel had plenty to saw at the event here about its new graphics design but said chips for ultrabooks are still a few weeks away.

About a third of the 1.4 billion Ivy Bridge transistors are for graphics.
AMD is said to be on the cusp of rolling out its next-generation CPUs, called Trinity. The chips are built in a 32nm process. AMD is not expected to field chips using the still scarce 28nm process until 2013.
By that time Intel will be moving on to Haswell, its first new microarchitecture to use its 22nm process. Intel typically gains a 10-20 percent performance advantage with the first chips, such as Ivy Bridge, to use a new process and a bigger performance boost for a new design, such as Haswell, optimized for that process, said Nathan Brookwood, principal of market watcher Insight64 (Saratoga, Calif.).
Ivy Bridge “will be very reminiscent of the state of play between Intel and AMD in recent years,” said Brookwood.
“The x86 cores in Ivy Bridge will likely outperform those of Trinity, but Trinity’s graphics cores will probably outperform those in Ivy Bridge,” he said.
Ivy Bridge marks Intel’s first chips with graphics that support Microsoft’s latest DirectX 11 graphics APIs, an edge AMD used to claim for itself. “Now AMD has to make an argument its implementation of DX11 is superior to Intel’s and that’s a tougher argument to make,” Brookwood said.
Both companies will support BGA packages with their new chips so processors can be soldered on to a motherboard without a socket, enabling the so-called ultrabooks, thin and light notebooks that imitate the Apple MacBook Air.
Intel defined the ultrabook category including a range of systems specifications on their start-up time, thickness, security features and other requirements. The specs drives costs for the systems which currently hover around $1,000 but could fall to $700-$800 later this year. Intel Capital created a $300 million fund to support the ultrabook concept.
By contrast, AMD is not requiring adherence to an ultrabook system spec. Thus its generally lower cost Trinity chips may be used to power cheaper thin and light notebooks that don’t bear the ultrabook name but cost as little as $600, Brookwood estimated.
AMD has typically battled with Intel offering at lower prices chips with roughly similar features and performance. Intel had plenty to saw at the event here about its new graphics design but said chips for ultrabooks are still a few weeks away.

About a third of the 1.4 billion Ivy Bridge transistors are for graphics.
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parkerm35
4/23/2012 10:43 AM EDT
Intel HD3000 vs HD4000 around 60% increase, Llano vs Trinity around 56% increase, 4% gain??? "An analyst said the chips will narrow archrival AMD’s lead in graphics performance" hardly narrowed anything really! Mouth open and tongue moves, no thought.
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Mark1980
4/23/2012 2:18 PM EDT
ha-ha .. HD4000 still can`t beat the old AMD chip, never-mind the new Trinity LOL...
Journalism at its best! (There used to be a time when questioning/correcting things were priority)
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vdara
4/23/2012 3:29 PM EDT
Check this out,
"Putting this all together, Intel will substantially narrow the gap with AMD for integrated graphics capabilities in 2012. Actual product level performance depends on pricing, binning and the market. For instance, Intel has an edge for very low power designs due to process technology. The 22nm FinFETs are exceptionally efficient at low voltage and it is likely that Ivy Bridge will match Trinity for 17W designs. At 25-35W for conventional notebooks, Intel should trail by around 20%, which is close enough to be competitive. Looking to desktops though, AMD will have a substantial advantage and the performance gap may be much higher."
http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?ArticleID=RWT042212225031
Things do not look that rosy for AMD.
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parkerm35
4/23/2012 7:42 PM EDT
That article is based on one mans opinion! A quote, "likely that Ivy Bridge will match Trinity for 17W designs" and this is based on what evidence?
AMD states that the 17w chip will be the same level performance as a 35w Llano A83500, so my guess is, that trinity at 17w will still be a good 30% faster (GPU) than the equivalent ivy bridge chip. Roll on HSA!
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Robotics Developer
4/23/2012 3:27 PM EDT
I would love to see benchmark comparisons between Intel and AMD. Any one know when this will happen? The article is interesting but does not have any hard facts just historical data. Well we will just have to wait, I guess.
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rick.merritt
4/23/2012 6:31 PM EDT
We are a few weeks out from an AMD Trinity launch which will hopefully include those benchmarks.
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Les_Slater
4/23/2012 6:18 PM EDT
I was actually impressed with what Intel has done with Ivy GPU from reading David Kanter's article, linked by vdara above. The decision of what technology to include is quite complicated. The economics of real estate, power and risk are daunting. Intel, and the industry have much at stake.
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LarryM99
4/23/2012 10:24 PM EDT
My four-year old laptop just gave up the ghost. I will be looking at these very seriously. I suspect that the benchmark comparisons will be coming very quickly. Several of the PC enthusiast sites have been hinting that they have sample Ivy Bridge-based systems in hand and under test.
Larry M.
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markhahn
4/24/2012 12:57 AM EDT
"so-called ultrabooks" that "ape", Rick? not professional.
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rick.merritt
4/24/2012 1:03 AM EDT
Indeed, better word choice is "imitate"
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elctrnx_lyf
4/24/2012 5:34 AM EDT
Intel is cruising ahead each and every day with their manufacturing process and IC design technology.
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selinz
4/25/2012 9:56 PM EDT
WRT the person requesting benchmarks, there are plenty available. You usually have to make a purchase to get baseline data, however. I have observed an increase in ~2X at system level about every 3 years. The generational increase seems to trump the within generation variation. Even the indiginous graphics (i.e. Intel HD3000)can now run CAD packages that used to require a special (read expensive) graphics card.
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Stephen_M
4/27/2012 4:30 PM EDT
At the high end, Intel is as far behind in GPU as AMD is behind in CPU. At the low end, you get what you pay for.
Any improvement by Intel in graphics will narrow the gap. The gap is widening faster than Intel can narrow it. I postulate that Intel does not follow Moore's law in GPU performance while others have.
If graphics ability is the light that shines, Intel is so far away that it is still in the dark.
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