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abraxalito

8/7/2012 2:11 AM EDT

Nope, not by a long chalk. Its petty squabbling, posturing - all the pointless ...

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CommonSense

8/6/2012 3:04 PM EDT

Who is stealing from whom? It depends on which court case is under discussion ...

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Court scrutinizes email from Steve Jobs

Rick Merritt

8/3/2012 7:29 PM EDT

SAN JOSE – Samsung’s attorneys suggested the late Steve Jobs saw an idea that could be useful for the iPhone in a Samsung design in the trial where Apple is seeking $2.5 billion from Samsung for infringing its patents.

For its part, Apple showed more Samsung documents that made detailed comparisons between Samsung and Apple handsets, recommending the Samsung products adopt iPhone techniques.

Testimony Friday focused briefly on an October 5, 2005, email thread among several Apple senior executives including Jobs involved in the iPhone design. The email discussed a feature of the Samsung SGH-E910 phone.

“This may be our answer -- we could put the number pad around the click wheel,” Jobs wrote as part of an October 5, 2005, email thread.

“I’m not sure how to read this one,” said Scott Forstall, Apple’s senior vice president of its iOS software and one of the executives on the email thread, speaking in testimony under cross-examination by Samsung Friday.

Under re-direct question, Apple lead attorney Harold McElhinny indicated Jobs went on in the email to suggested changes to the Samsung approach that apparently refers to an iPod-like controller. Samsung “really screwed this up in that respect,” Jobs wrote.

“Do you see this as a direction to copy?” asked McElhinny.

“I see this as a direction not to copy, he said they really screwed this up,” said Forstall.

By contrast, Apple attorneys showed copies of Samsung reports that made detailed comparisons of Samsung handsets and iPhones, recommending Samsung adopt iPhone techniques For example, a report from a Samsung software verification team dated March 2, 2010, suggested improvements to the Samsung S1 that would make the appearance of on-screen icons and double-click features more like those of the iPhone.

“This is just a comparison,” said Justin Denison, chief strategy officer for Samsung Telecommunications America, in testimony here.




KB3001

8/3/2012 8:22 PM EDT

Am I alone in thinking that these squabbles over who copied what from whom is getting a tad out of hand?

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abraxalito

8/7/2012 2:11 AM EDT

Nope, not by a long chalk. Its petty squabbling, posturing - all the pointless things that expensive lawyers are expert at :)

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yalanand

8/3/2012 11:24 PM EDT

I feel both Apple and Samsung are wasting precious courts time. I can't imagine how Apple can patent a shape.

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Bert22306

8/4/2012 6:39 PM EDT

This is silliness. Especially becaue by now everyone knows that Apple adopts plenty of ideas from others, and most of their success comes in the execution amd the tweaking. Not the original concept itself.

This level of litigious greed is so unbecoming.

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chanj

8/4/2012 8:07 PM EDT

Both companies hope to keep the other competitors out from a region, a country. The patent might help to effort. Speaking of the GUI example in the article, I can't agree more it is a total waste of effort. The direction just cannot lead Apple to the winning goal. GUI - on screen icon and double click - is not even originally developed by Apple. Microsoft might be in better position to claim it. Yet, just as said by Gates, both Apple and Microsoft had a rich neighbor named Xerox. Microsoft went over to steal their TV, realizing it was stolen earlier by Apple.

Instead of putting resource and effort into keeping competitors out, they'd better focus on making their product better in terms of both technology and human machine interface. These are indeed the primary reason consumer choose one from the other.

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krh

8/4/2012 8:17 PM EDT

Regarding copying a competitor:

If after products announced/released_no issue.

If before products announced/released_an issue.

It's all about the timeline.

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Luis Sanchez

8/5/2012 4:48 PM EDT

I think too that the innovations talked about aren't real patents. They seem more like copyright material. Like the work of an artist.
But if this were copyright... would there be a difference in demands?
Perhaps in the fight to make the better product, is quite difficult not to make something similar to what others have made already.

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timemerchant

8/5/2012 8:41 PM EDT

The Apple testimony about users being confused and buying a Samsung phone instead of an iPhone is an insult to anyone shelling out so much on a phone anyway. Whether right or wrong, people turn against this type of nonsense. MIPS had 64-bits and multicore long before ARM, but the headlines are ARM vs Intel, with no mention of MIPS. Why? My guess is people avoid them due to the past patent nonsense about unaligned instruction access. Apple's iSheep (me included there) will think twice about another Apple purchase as the products are really much of a muchness. Being locked into the iTunes ecochain also needs a rethink if you care to read the agreement about Apple being able to use your technology in light of their appetite for court time.

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GREAT-Terry

8/5/2012 10:45 PM EDT

This is just a waste of time and money for both companies.

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elctrnx_lyf

8/6/2012 7:24 AM EDT

I think the fight will go on for next 10 years till both companies realize they are unnecessarily wasting money to spend on lawyers.

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arunashokan

8/6/2012 10:04 AM EDT

Well lawyers need to make a living right and with companies like Apple, Samsung and the likes willing to spend big bucks on such trivial pointless cases, I would say lawyers take the opportunity to send their kids to great schools. One man's foolishness tends to benefit others now, doesn't it?!

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CommonSense

8/6/2012 2:28 PM EDT

Well put: from a user standpoint, it is a waste of resources of both companies, but "someone" (the atorneys & support staff) will benefit greatly. When I walked into the AT&T store to upgrade my phone it was pretty hard to confuse the S2 with the iPhone: oh, wait, they are both white, how confusing!! Good thing Samsung made the S3 larger to minimise that confusion.

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lakehermit

8/6/2012 2:29 PM EDT

Many of you seem to be missing the point. Stealing is illegal. Just as you can't drive somebody's car around when they are at work and not using it, and you can't live in their house when they are on vacation, you can't use somebody's intellectual property. AND, if Samsung really believed any of Apple's patents were invalid, they could ask to have them reexamined by the Patent Office. The cost of a reexamination is a lot less than they pay their lawyers for the preparation and appearance in just one hour of court time. Rather than taking their invalidity arguments to the Patent Office which has the necessary technical and legal experience to decide validity their lawyers are hoping to hoodwink a jury that doesn't have those skills.

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Bert22306

8/6/2012 2:52 PM EDT

Check out how many lawsuits Apple has filed of late.

What is stealing? Tablets were invented as far back as the 1960s, and featured prominently in the original Star Trek series. As were cell phones. Is Apple compensating Gene Roddenderry?

This lawsuit is all about fashion statements. One guy rounds the corners and finishes his toys in shiny white, suddenly only they can develop toys with rounded corners and shiny white finish? Come now.

Fashion always works this way. It's in one day and out the next. You shouldn't expect to hire legions of lawyers every time some of your fashion ideas are imitated to some degree.

Is it in reality about Android vs iOS? That would make these law suits even more absurd.

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CommonSense

8/6/2012 3:04 PM EDT

Who is stealing from whom? It depends on which court case is under discussion since Apple and Samsung are busy suing each other in various courts around the world, with similar allegations going in both directions.

The tablet case got tossed in England: judge said the Samsung was not cool enough. However, the phones are pretty competitive since Apple's marketing department won't let them release a unit with the latest features--have to hold some back for the next release.

Apple will next need to sue HTC, Huawei, and even Nokia if they hurry before Nokia fades away: they all have touch screen smart phones; maybe even use the users of those phones: I'm probably violating Apple's patents by using another brand of smartphone.

Perhaps Motorola should sue Apple for using the cell phone concept.

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