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EE for 17 years
  Hardware/Software/Systems Engineering
   Embedded Systems 12yrs (Multibus, VME, PMC, cPCI, cPSB, ATCA) / vxWorks, Linux
   Telecommunications (IPTV, VoIP) 5yrs

 

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Systems Engineer

 

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Sorry I encountered a internet shutdown just after the speach ended. It was a very great introduction.

As I said breifly I am a PhD student in analog IC design, specialized into power Managment for embedded systems.

Therefore I am very interested into any idea of new embedded systemes as I want to developp the systems to supply them with energy.

I am currently in South Korea but I am french, so please forgive me if I miss-use english

Have a nice day, see you tomorrow!

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Grait introduction. I'm looking for the next parts.

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I,m curious to knov if anyone ever reads these things after the lecture?

I do not know where this came from as I thought I took it ( the Brian Bailey lecture).

The T-hirt looks cool but I guess I can forget being one of the first 25. Rodney B. Rutherford

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Automation and Robotics Graduate student, looking inicial in embedded system in industrial. 

Telecommunications Graduate student

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Hardware Engineer

 

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embedded factory apps

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Higher quality with low cost definitely the future trend 

 

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i am a hardware design engineer

 

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Relevant Intel Intelligent Systems Framework (ISF) links:

 

Intel Intelligent Systems Framework page:

 

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/embedded/intelligent-systems.html

 

Intel Embedded Design Center (registration required):

https://www-ssl.intel.com/p/en_US/embedded/login?

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Hmmmmmmm,i already started my education in master of Embedded sys 4days back

whats ur idea

what must i do for rest????

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Missed the livecast but caught up with the archive.  Interesting stuff - I guess the Intel adverts are part of the deal! 

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Thanks Brian; excellent presentation.

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I'm working in Industrial sector. (Industrial Control)

Currently using pressure, temperature sensors

 

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Designer Engineer

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Catching up after work!

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Excellent Presentation, looking forward to the rest.

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I want a t-shirt and can go shipping and handling plus, I want a design news shirt too. Thank you.

Rod. R. I watched this twice. Rod. R.

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I need to get my e-mail reminder earlier as does Hawaii.

The reminders are toolate as it is 8:00 AM here, noon there.

Rodney B. Rutherford

Slide 3

I am a retired college student / x pipeline worker, Electronic know how willing to learn.

I'll manage. I use anything electronic.

Good lecture, Keep up the good work.

I hope someone reads these posts. Hope to be there tomorrow and get some coffee too as

my 8:00 AM equals your 12:00 or high noon. Thank you all for everything. Rod. R.

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Good session, thank you

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Market trend for future industrial apps

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Good presentation.

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@mclaus - I think I nice way of addressing data throughput is to have the ability to control the flow locally. For instance just send me a summary every 5 minutes, but if I see something interesting, send me the full dump from a particular data set.

 

Well, I am going to sign off now. Thanks for the questions and hope to see you all tomorrow.

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OK - great.  This has been a good session - thanks everybody.  Looking forward to the ret of the week.

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Yes - people expect technology to work flawlesssly under all conditions.

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There are some standards emerging for industrial app development and I will mention that tomorrow.

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BrianBailey:  you try to expain to the plant manager why the WiFi network fails when a forklift goes by...  Anything by pretty...

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mclaus - totally. That is a huge tradeoff. How much power does it take to compress the data versus how much power to transmit it - and that is just a first order tradeoff.

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YEs - I have heard some interesting stories about WiFi on a factory floor, and many of them dont work well when machines are running because of interference, noise etc.

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OK, how about the use of Java and OSGi?

 

Hiow does one begin to deteremine how 'smart' a given set of sensors/actuators ought to be?  Lts of trade-offs - costs, complexity, time, etc...

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I am not going to talk about those specific too much just because many of them are application specific.

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BrianBailey:  You mentioned noise immunity.  Our experience is that in a plant (steel walls and lots of steel racks for material storage) that WiFi bandwidth can drop a lot because of retransmission.  Adding access points doesn't help, all it does is drive up the noise floor of the receivers!

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Will this chat be archived?

I think most of the factories today tend to be local/small variations or configurations rather than complete change of product. Never going to see a factory produce bread and PCBs as a silly example. I think they will all be Closely related products that have similar supply chains.

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You may cover this in Part IV, but are there any protocols emerging in this space such as MQTT or DDS?

I'll have to scan this blog and put into a file to search for my questions.

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Talk about "Immunity to Noise"  !!!

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Hi Jeff - I may have missed many questions. PLease re ask!

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Thanks, Embedded Guy..I knew that..but my question is about the scope of the reconfiguartions.

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I agree - hard to carry on multipkle conversations clearly

 

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Yes - chat can be difficultt, especially when there are multiple threads happening at the same time. Difficult for me as well to keep track of things.

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Yeah, it is difficult to follow.

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@huzi132  - no really more immune to noise - both are pretty good.  FlexRay is a completely different protocol - TDMA - and is compltley deterministic if you allocate you bansdwidth correctly.

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I don't like this question and answer format..it produces a fragmented conversation.

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Jeff.Rochow:  Automotive first tier plants build diffeent product variants too, based on a broadcast from the main assembly plant.  Most are just-in-time plants, 4 hours from order to delivery (paint is usually drying on the vehicle...they order the components from the first tier when they are "sure" they are going to build it that day).

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Power is moving to very low pwer levels for many of the sensors and even scavenging power, so no batteries required.

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Brian, will you be responding to the earlier questions in the session?

 

@huzi132 - primarily bandwidth.  FlexRay offers us more

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Use LIN or Flexray

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@huzi132 - primarily bandwidth.  FlexRay offers us more

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Yes Al. Will be talking a lot more about that later in the week.

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Noise immunity can be an important consideration. Having to retransmit bad data can take a lot of time and add to latencies.

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Can you define in simple word what is IOT

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Given the seriousness of the cyber attacks these days, I think security needs to be emphasized.  It must be designed in, not an afterthought.

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@mclaus do U consider it more resistant/immune to noise CAN?

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Take my example of the car factory. That is dynamic reconfiguration in terms of product variants. The Phillips factory I showed also makes (Assembles) parts in a dynamic manner.

 

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What is the range of reconfiguration in those factories..different product or vastly diffeent product?

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Hi Al. Soares- yes, it is all a matter of focus. It could have been drawn a number of different ways.

 

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What sort of factories reconfigure dynamically?

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About power, in a factory you exchange the problem of a cord with battery management when you go cordless.  We have a lot of experience with cordless bar code scanners, it is a very disruptive event when the production line goes down because they can't find a charged battery for the scanner in the faciility (don't laugh, it is a true story!).

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Suggestion about slide 18. It seems like it is inside out.  The core should be the sensors and the outer rings should show progression to the cloud as the outside ring.

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Nice presentation. Thought provoking. Looking forward to the next segments. Thanks!

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Some of these factories reconfigure dynamically based on availability of components and order book.

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Thanks EETimes, Brian and Alex !! 

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Reconfiguration has many implicatiions..logistics etc.

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Sorry - I meant right not tight!

 

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@mclaus thanks but I wish if you can share one or more advantages over CAN??

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can be use Wirless power (QI)

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What about the rate of reconfiguration? etc..

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Thank you Brian and Alex. I am new to this field and looking forward to tomorrow's lecture.

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Yes - Embedded Guy - you are totally tight. We need semantic information instead of data. What ever happened to the promised Semantic Web!!

 

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Power has to be considered in the networks as well. We have gone from days when power was "free" to one where power has to be used very frugally. Networks can use a lot of power.

 

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Not sure we have the time to prototypoe a system during these, but a good idea for a folow on series.

 

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@huzi132 - primarily bandwidth.  FlexRay offers us more

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We've been aggregating data from smart devices in factories for 10 years.  Ethernet is the dominate protocol, but only for non-time critical (non-deterministic) uses.  The problem is always the protocol for information exchange (not talking about TCP/IP but at the app level), OPC tried to address it in a general way, XML gose a long way too, but none get rid of custom programming.  Until there is a generally accepted way of communicating INFORMATION (not just the bits and bytes) this will be a hard thing to get a grip on.  Not to mention most plant managers couldn't give a fig about the technology, SHIP PRODUCT!

Thanks for the out fo the box thinking though!

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Standards, such as Windows 8 are important in that they provide a common infrastructure on top of which applications can be built. I am not sure if Windows 8 is the long term solution and we may find that for the IoT we need completely different OS concepts. Networking has to change and become much more adhoc and multi-discipline for example.

 

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Also..what sort of factories will reconfigure..steel mills are not going to bake cookies..although they have big ovens.

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So the scalability of the automation done in factories are low? is that wat u mean brian.

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Thanks Brian, that would be great to prototype a practical project during these sessions if it is possible as well.Thanks

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whats about ANT+  ?

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Thanks for the presentation. Brian, today or over the next few days, as it may occur to you during the discussion, I'd be interested in knowing what research problems you perceive that must be solved to better move forward the vision of intelligent embedded systems. Researchers are always looking for "relevant" research problems.

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Very interesting class

Thanks a bushel

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how often will factories reconfigure and to what extent?

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All of the networks, such as CAN are tradeoffs. Latency, versus throughput for example.

 

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thanks brian and alex& intel. This is refreshing our fundamentals.

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Thank you Brian and Alex

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How Window 8 impact on era of embedded systems and industrial application

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Jeff - do you mean how often are the reconfigured, or built?

 

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Brian from your perspective, what could be the impact that industrial 3D printing will have in distributed/future manufacturing systems.

 

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@mclaus sorry !

@mcllaus so what were those problems U faced which lead to switch from CAN??

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One of the issues is about how we deal with he huge anmounts of data collected by the sensors. How long is it kept, how is it stored, retreived, used. Many issues have to be worked out here.

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Thanks Brian and Alex.

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How many factories do you see as being reconfigurable and at what frequency?

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Thanks Brian and Alex. It's going to be a really interesting week. See all tomorrow.

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What real-time response times are reasonable to expect with communications via the cloud?  Do we expect that response rate to increase/decrease in the immediate future?

 

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I´ve heard a lot about big data, is this related to IoT?

 

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Yes - security has to be created at every level of the hierarchy.

 

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@mcllaus so what were those problems U faced which lead to switch from CAN??

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Hoping to gain insight as to how embedded software developers are expected to be employed in the coming years; what they will need to know, what are the biggest challenges they will face; in ways that will allow me to steer my career development to best keep myself valuable.

 

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@huzi132 We have used CAN in the past - but have moved to FlexRay in our most recent generation of product

 

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in hierarchy diagram where we need to implement security layer

Anyone here with LIN / CAN prior experience??

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Thanks, I see.  No we are collecting data from sensors that we in turn utilize to control a set of related actuators.  Lots of real-time constraints - we need to ensure that the data is fresh enough to take action on, and we need to ensure that the control commands are received within a time frame to be useful.  Often the time frames are milliseconds or less.

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I hope to learn more about the Embedded Systems in a practical way. It was useful to design a sample project in the class during these sessions.

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I prefer to use my built-in olfactory sensor to tell me when I, or someone else, needs a change of underwear, but thanks for that.

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I'm telco engineer. Interested in wireless interconnection embedded devices.

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@mclaus is the control function using APC therefore you are using mutiple data parameters for control? In that case yes, determinism is very important. Or are you using sensors to supply data to say an inventory management system, in which case determinsm is not important.

I'm a newbie to Auto electronics. Can someone pls briefly differentiate or define merits/demerits of LIN & CAN?

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@Jeffery.FOrtin  - Interesting - can you elaborate?

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@mclaus I think its important to differentiate between distributed control and distributed data regarding determinism.

 

I am involved in research on secure, distributed, embedded systems and would like to discover what Brian and others believe are the important outstanding problems that practitioners encounter that can only (or best) be tacked by researchers.

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Manufature CAN/LIN Networking Devices for Automotive Manufaturer.

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Sensors:  Motion control, collecting manufacturing data from "smart" devices

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@mclaus - you can use an industrial ethernet protocol like ethernet IP or ethercat which support real time determinism

cloud computing only security is factor once solved everybody will come aboard

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We have nothing but bad experinences to relate about wireless (WiFi, Bluetooth, etc.) in a factory.  A lot of transmitters inside a Faraday cage...

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How can real-time contstrains be enforced when systems are connected via the net?

 

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You define IoT as more than just physical objects identifying themself in an information exchange? In your definition, what allows the combination of "things" to derive new data, is that done in the cloud (IT Space) in your mind?

Have used temperature and motion sensors in the past

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currently working on a project relating to positioning system using a-GPS module, Wifi module, gyroscope, accelerometer and barometer

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Familiar with a variety of sensors: Accelerometers, movement, temperature etc.

 

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I see the trend in sensors is too add more computing and connectivity functionality. For legacy systems, is a practical to use a gateway to connect "dumb" sensors alling the data to flow to the cloud?

Our systems are collections of sensors and actuators connected by algorithm.  Typically we use pressure sensors, voltage/current sensors, motion sensors, pumps, valves.  Some of the systems utilize HD video on several frequencies, and utilize some real-time video processing.

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Worked with industrial flow,level pressure,humidity sensors for the past two years.

 

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minimal use of sensor technology, interested in visual sensing and detection.

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Yes, mostly Biomedical Sensors.

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Experimenting with sensors currently

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Discipline:Integration Consultant, Product and Technology advocate.

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Hmmm.... IntelSystems.  I think yer describing the New Police State. 

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What kind of standards in terms of maintaining embedded system in industrial to be real time? i.e, Misra C or Autosar for automotive.

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What management protocols do see in the fatory. Is OMA-DM a fit?

Electrical Engineer, area of interest project management, IT, cloud, security, etc.

understand and prepare new era of cloud computing phase in connection with Electrical Engineering

 

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Discipline: Radiation / Reliability Engineering for defense contractor. Current project is in the production / testing phase.

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Is Java playing a bigger role in the factory? For instance OSGi.

I aim to increase my understanding or interconnected emmbedded systems, and built a toolbox for anticipating some of the problems such as security, reliability and stability.

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What new protocols do you see emerging to address Intelligent Systems, e.g. MQTT, DDS?

I'd like to take away some general patterns of architecture that are useful for real-time embedded systems, and for connected networks of embedded systems

 

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New insights and ideas in the field of embedded

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Discipline: R&D Engineer@Pepperl+Fuchs GmbH

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Hardware design and integration

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Discipline: Solution Architect @ IBM

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For next year I am looking to better understand how to securely connect industrial devices to a data cloud and add flexible intelligence to process control devices.

Embedded web server & interface in firmware

 

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Good afternoon.  Network administrator aerospace company.

 

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better options than before,"any colour you want, as long as you want black".

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Startup innovation company

Automotive

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Industrial Equipment and QR codes

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Embedded Software developer for optical media player.

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Software/Embedded

 

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Electrical Engineer, Power Distribution Manufacturing

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Yes - we view our own products as little automated factories, and we are also interested in automating the production and test of our product

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Hardware.  Semiconductor.  Bkgnd in embedded & plan to migrate to that in self-employment.

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Data Acqusition Engineering

Higher education, research.

 

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sustaining enginnering for an instrumentation manufacturer

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Systems engineering for automated factories.  Degrees in electrical engineering.

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Hardware Engineering Management 

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can you increase your voice please

 

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I heard "bio break" too.

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Software Intelliegnt Systems

Test Engineer with Software Automation Validation on Intel Embedded Graphics Background

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R&D Engineer for Semiconductor Company.

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Ho I am Binod from Nepal. is it started ??

 

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Hi - Im a software/systems architect for real-time medical devices.

 

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Hi, I'm a "Computer Systems Engineer" (H/W & S/W)

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Hello, electrical engineer from New Jersey

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Hardware / Software developer

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hardware engineering with firmware support and testing

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yes,it is starting! woohoo

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Because... The machine knows. 

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Why are we being labeled "ROOKIE"?

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Brian,

The slides should be html, for those who don't use or have MS or OpenOffice. 

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Hello, I think that I'm connected?

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Good morning from New Zealand

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Hello from Rockwell Automation in Mayfield hts. Ohio, where it's 39F and cloudy.

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Hello! I'm Leandro from Brazil. Computer Engineer looking for specializations on Embedded Systems domain...

 

Hello everyone. Sriram From india. Embedded developer.

Eagerly waiting for the session.

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Hi Everyone. Looking forward to this talk.

 

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Good morning all from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.

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Good day all from Johannesburg, South Africa

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Welcome to everyone.

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Good Morning from Sunny San Jose, CA.

It's 44°F now with a High of 66°F.

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Hay all my name is Donald Moyer and I am 10 year vet MSEE from UW of Washington State in the USA and am looking foward to hear the lectures on embedded systems.  We have been working on embedded systems for portable medical devices and have become a professional student in the EE Field.

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Hi. I am Saber from Ain Shams University, Egypt. Looking forward to watching your lecture.

Great thanks.

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Hi. My name is Irvin Huang from UC Irvine and I am a fourth year EE student. Looking foward to the talk!

 

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HI IAM SIVA RAM NANDAM LOOKING FOR UR LECTURER ...

 

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Hi. My name is Maryam from the South Easth of England.I am a graduate Embedded System Developer and I look forward to your lecture.

 

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