Design Con 2015
Breaking News
Comments
You must login to participate in this chat. Please login.

Thank you Brian and Alex

Rookie

No work with smart grid

Rookie

is it a successful design?

Rookie

present a case study

Rookie

thank u brian. when will be the next session on embedded systems?

Rookie

Thanks,Brian.  Very informative and good food for thought.  Looking forward to a 102 version.

 

Rookie

Hi all

 

Paul O'Brien, ABB, Australia developing a smart grid solution

 

Rookie

Thanks Brian and Alex; Great week session

Rookie

Well, time for me to go. Thanks for your questions Jeffrey.

Blogger

Question is if you want something that cannot be read from outside the processor.

Blogger

Many systems contain one of these already in their Ethernet ID.

 

Blogger

It would be wrong for them to dictate how something is implemented. Not all vendors may have the necessary hardware capabilities built in and this would be the standards group doing the limitation. They cannot that, they have to allow the industry to do the elimination if necessary.

Blogger

OK, is see that. I'm thinking of hardware more like a fusable register to hold a value as the basis for a root-of-trust.

As an exmaple - maybe you want to measure the power draw of the system before you actually load anything. That way you can detect a HW configuration change.

Blogger

But conceptually you just need to implement the TPM spec. I'm not sure if the Trusted Computing Group spec for TPM mandates the TPM be implement in hardware or have hardware support. But I may be wrong. 

OK - yes, there is very low level SW but also a lot of HW support for monitoring the system characteristics. You dont want to leave this to SW I suspect.

Blogger

For trusted program it is sort of BIOS level software, so not sure if you would develop it in the same way. It has to run directly on the HW without OS or virtualization support.

 

Blogger

Trusted Platform Module (Slide 9)

Do you mean trusted program?

 

Blogger

Is it possible to implement the TPM in software?

In that case, I have not heard of such a usage of AMT with SCADA. But it may exist.

Intels's link - http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/intel-active-management-technology.html

Rookie

So AMT is the seperate power domain and KVM access.

Blogger

Gotta jump off early today folks.  Its been great - you all have my contact info.  Let's stay in touch.

Rookie

Right I'm just not sure what AMT is reffering to. It can't be Alternative Minimum Tax.

@Juan - it was in the reference implementation but not sure if deployed.

Blogger

AMT - Active Management Technology

Blogger

I meant whether AMT has been used in actual SCADA applications.

 

Rookie

MMM. Not sure what is goingon. texts stopped getting through

 

Blogger

And when we react we tend to fix the symptom not the cause.

As a society we tend to be reactionary. After we have been hit, we react and put better systems in place. Does anyone do backups before they have lost data? Does anyone install security software before they have been infected?

Blogger

Juan, what did you mean by AMT?

Thank you Brian and Alex! The sessions were very informative.

Rookie

@Juan - I think the biggest problem today is complacency in all industries that are not subjected to regulations. It is a cost that people do not want to eat.

Blogger

@Juan - that was in response to your earlier question .

Blogger

Thanks Brian and Alex, and EETimes, excellent presentation

Rookie

@Juan - I believe so, but not 100% certain on that.

 

Blogger

Brian, in your opinion, are the main security issues in industrial systems today, the management of a wide range of keys, or are there other infrastructure (perhaps) architectural issues as well?

 

Rookie

would like to see into to embedded linux system webinar like these in future and we can do simulatiion with virtual lab hardware/software

Rookie

@Embedded Guy - Thanks for the comment and yes it was high level, but many of the topics we talked about could be a whole course on their own. I hope it sends people in the right direction to get more relevant information.

Blogger

Good point - thanks

Rookie

@mclaus - I woyulkd suggest, just as we do with credit cards, that an order and the card information are sent separately. That way at least two parts of the system have to be comproimised before damage can be done.

Blogger

Thank you Alex and EEtimes team

 

Rookie

Thank you Brian and Alex for this great five day session.

Rookie

I appreciate the heads up on this Internet of Things concept.  I realize it was a high level discussion, but it is nice to know that it is going on before it all hits the market (surprise!).  Thanks Brian and Alex for great information!

Rookie

Thanks for a good set of lectures.

Rookie

thank you Alex nd Brian

Rookie

thanks to eetimes team also

 

Thanks so much Brian

Rookie

@Jeff - many people think it was a large country that was to blame.

 

Blogger

Brian / Alex - thanks for putting this together.  Very interesting.  Hope we do more of these.

Rookie

I have learned a lot on this Class.

Thank you Brian and Alex.

Rookie

thank you brain & alex 

 

Thanks Brian and Alex. It's been a great week. See all next time.

Rookie

Thank you for the lectures Brian, very informative!

Rookie

Thank you Brian and Alex.

Rookie

There is - but since update in basically an automated process, we have essentially embedded a password into the code - a very bad practice.  It is encrypted and known to only a few in our organization, but still it is probably vulnerable to being hacked if somebody were to work at it hard enough.  We are planning to change to a dynamically generated key that will be provided via a newwork connection back to our central service organization - but we don't have that infrastructure quote ready yet. 

Rookie

Thank you Brain and Alex for the presentaion.

Rookie

Relevant Intel Intelligent Systems Framework (ISF) links:

Intel Intelligent Systems Framework page: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/embedded/intelligent-systems.html

 

Intel Embedded Design Center (registration required):

https://www-ssl.intel.com/p/en_US/embedded/login?

Rookie

Is there an authentication protocol in the update API?

Stuxnet is very complex and bears the marks of being done by a larger group that had motives beyond simple credit card theft etc. Do we have any idea who they were?

Rookie

There are ways to re-register the process code with the boot process.  During updates, there is an API that get exercises to re-register the new process code.  Updates to the boot image contain process registrations already. 

Rookie

Oops, I meant AMT

 

Rookie

Has IMT been used with SCADA?

 

Rookie

@mclaus, how do you deal with updates? Update both the bootcode and process code?

We ensure that any code that runs on our system is known.  The boot process gets the boot image from a known, encrypted, secure source.  Any process code that is run after boot must be registered with the boot image and it;'s image much match the one that was registered.

Rookie

Is it possible to implement the TPM in software?

In my world "CIP" is the Common Industrial Protocol.

Rookie

Thank you Brian and Alex.

Rookie

Right now, its usually a propriety standard in a license frequency. Very small amounts of data.

@mclaus - Thanks for the security example!

Rookie

How does the Smart Meter work?

How does it  trasmit it's DATA?

Rookie

Yes - we sell the 'the ability to treat patients' with our products to our customers over the web.  They pay, we download a certain number of treatments into the system to allow them to deliver the treatments.  Often we place the equipment of free, but make money by selling the tretments.

A group in China learned to hack the code that allowed download of treatment, as was selling that hack to our customers.  Big problem, but we did finally get it resolved. 

  

Rookie

Most companies do not brag about their security vulnerabilities.

Rockwell is also working on the SmartGrid, in standards and in project space.

Rookie

@Jeffrey.Fortin FYI: Brian Bailey mentioned yesterday that he is aware of the missing slide numbers.

Rookie

Working to improve the Smart Grid.

Jeffrey Fortin

Director for Industrial, Energy, Medical, and Intelligent Systems

Wind River

1420 Celebration Blvd Suite 200

Celebration, FL 34747

jeffrey.fortin@windriver.com

Unanswered question from earlier in the week:  Are there any emerging/existing standards in the area of Management?  Brian was going to check into it.

Rookie

Not working on smartgrid

Rookie

Sustaining Engineering Project Leader

Titan Logix corp

Rookie

Michael Claus

System Architect

Alcon Research, Ltd.

15800 Alton Parkway

Irvine, CA  92618

michael.claus@alconlabs.com

 

Rookie

R&D Engineer HW/SW @ NXP Semiconductor

Rookie

Hi There from Toronto, interesting Embedded Arrow event in the city yesterday J

Rookie

Jeff Rochow
Software Architect (Advanced Technology Group)
Rockwell Automation, Inc.
1 Allen-Bradley Dr.
Mayfield Hts. Oh 44124

Rookie

good morning all from chilly Edmonton, Alberta

Rookie

embeeded system really very interesting area  and skill to master either window embedded or linux or anyone tried on Mac ?

Rookie

Good evening from Kuwait little coolish tonight

Rookie

JUst use the PPT Numbers on the bottom Left corner of the PPT.

Rookie

Hi Folks.  It never rains in Southern California..... except today....

 

Rookie

Morning from St. Louis!

Rookie

And yes today in Portland it is rainy, no sunny, no rainy, no - well it just cant make up its mind.

Blogger

Yes - I hope it is not at 2pm eastern! I am ready for a 9:00am Pacific start!

Blogger

@Jeffrey - yes sorry I did not have time yesterday to get them fixed and have them put the new deck up. I will make sure I use the titles.

Blogger

Brian, just noticeing that there are no slide numbers on today's deck.

Good morning one and all!

Rookie

Hello from Orlando where it's 75°F and sunny

@ awolf58; Is it 2pm not 12:00 PM?

Rookie

Good morning everyone. Lots of stuff crammed into today's session. I will need to talk fast!

 

Blogger

Good Morning from STORMY San Sose, CA.

It's 60°F and a High of 62°F.

Rookie

2PM Eastern!! No wonder! will be back then..  BFN

Rookie

Be sure to click 'Today's Slide Deck' under Special Educational Materials above right to download the PowerPoint for today's session.

Rookie

The streaming audio player will appear on this web page when the show starts at 2pm eastern today. Note however that some companies block live audio streams. If when the show starts you don't hear any audio, try refreshing your browser. The player "like" Firefox better than IE.

Rookie

Are we not on today??

 

Rookie

Greetings from Gilbert, AZ with overcast 46F

Rookie

good morning to you too, from Rockwell Automation in Mayfield hts ohio, where it's a sunny 41F.

Rookie

Good Morning from STORMY San Sose, CA.

It's 60°F and a High of 62°F.

Rookie


Top Comments of the Week
Flash Poll
Like Us on Facebook

Datasheets.com Parts Search

185 million searchable parts
(please enter a part number or hit search to begin)
EE Life
Frankenstein's Fix, Teardowns, Sideshows, Design Contests, Reader Content & More
<b><a href=Betajet">

The Circle – The Future's Imperfect in the Present Tense
Betajet
Post a comment
The Circle, a satirical, dystopian novel published in 2013 by San Francisco-based writer Dave Eggers, is about a large, very powerful technology company that combines aspects of Google, ...

Max Maxfield

Recommended Reads From the Engineer's Bookshelf
Max Maxfield
2 comments
I'm not sure if I read more than most folks or not, but I do I know that I spend quite a lot of time reading. I hate to be idle, so I always have a book or two somewhere about my person -- ...

Martin Rowe

No 2014 Punkin Chunkin, What Will You Do?
Martin Rowe
2 comments
American Thanksgiving is next week, and while some people watch (American) football all day, the real competition on TV has become Punkin Chunkin. But there will be no Punkin Chunkin on TV ...

Rich Quinnell

Making the Grade in Industrial Design
Rich Quinnell
15 comments
As every developer knows, there are the paper specifications for a product design, and then there are the real requirements. The paper specs are dry, bland, and rigidly numeric, making ...

Special Video Section
The LT8640 is a 42V, 5A synchronous step-down regulator ...
The LTC2000 high-speed DAC has low noise and excellent ...
How do you protect the load and ensure output continues to ...
General-purpose DACs have applications in instrumentation, ...
Linear Technology demonstrates its latest measurement ...
10:29
Demos from Maxim Integrated at Electronica 2014 show ...
Bosch CEO Stefan Finkbeiner shows off latest combo and ...
STMicroelectronics demoed this simple gesture control ...
Keysight shows you what signals lurk in real-time at 510MHz ...
TE Connectivity's clear-plastic, full-size model car shows ...
Why culture makes Linear Tech a winner.
Recently formed Architects of Modern Power consortium ...
Specially modified Corvette C7 Stingray responds to ex Indy ...
Avago’s ACPL-K30T is the first solid-state driver qualified ...
NXP launches its line of multi-gate, multifunction, ...
Doug Bailey, VP of marketing at Power Integrations, gives a ...
See how to ease software bring-up with DesignWare IP ...
DesignWare IP Prototyping Kits enable fast software ...
This video explores the LT3086, a new member of our LDO+ ...
In today’s modern electronic systems, the need for power ...