Before people get caught up in all the media hype to take down our high tech companies and foxconn they should read this article. Bottom line is the foxconn suicide rate is significantly lower than the Chinese average rate. Although neither rate is good, the overall Chinese standard of living is improving rapidly. It takes generations to bring a country's standard of living up to par with the rest of the world. China is moving faster than most. Wait until the Chinese suicide rate drops below ours as their standard of living improves and ours declines as the US government prints its way out of debt, our money becomes worthless and our population begins to envy the rest of the world. Will the US government try to tax non US citizens who live outside the US just as we try to have our legal system apply to people who live outside of the US. Anyone who thinks we are the world leaders in standard of living should go to Japan or Singapore to name two.
Aquitane is right and they will continue to line up to work there.
Perhaps we should treat the citizens same as we do here?
Families pay to put their kids through school. [Oh - they don't have schools? They come here... Oh yeah. ]
They have their own home, the travel to and from work, they get paid what they (or their govnment agrees) is accepatble pay for the region, and we simply don't care what they do on their time off...
[Oh... whats that? they (like many other similarly developed contries) have to travel for over an hour to and from home? roads are not built? Hmmm - their government must be taking all their taxes and keeping them for themselves instead of bettering the country? Oh - they don't pay taxes? Hmmm.]
Let me make sure I understand...
The media wants to denegrate U.S companies for going into underdeveloped countries and providing the citizens with a huge significant improvement over what their current life would be, their certain future would be - without the U.S. company there...
Someone ought to be giving those companies a medal!
Taking a poll would be a great tool, but would anyone (other than the Chinese Gov't or companies like FoxConn) believe the results? I know I would not, for the employer has all the power in this situation, and therefore I believe the employee is not going to jeopardize their position by responding with anything other than "I am happy" to any kind of survey. The government would, I am afraid, have to be interpreted as being on the side of the employer too.
Do you suppose Dell and HP have a desire to travel far away to operate factories full of people who don't speak English? That is a major hassle that can only be justified by the low cost of labor.
To suggest that they should bring wages and living conditions up to American standards is totally missing the point.
Why don't you take a poll at one of these factories and see how they feel about shutting it down? I bet most of them would prefer to keep it going like it is.
People will always want better value with their money, which in turn, will drive company to lower the cost of their products. But there should be a limit how far it push the envelope. Long workdays, forced overtime and military style dormitory are too much for workers anywhere in the world.
Communism is the problem. The U.S. is headed in the same direction as communist China, and will soon experience all the same ills firsthand. Communism is evil and its end result is evil. You can't say you'll set up an evil system and expect that good will come from it.
Communism is a killer of souls, a killer of freedom, a killer of individuality, a killer of justice, and a killer of men.
The Democrat party's militant anti-western and anti-constitutional activities have destroyed the U.S. The communist policies and laws implemented by the Democrats has caused the collapse of the economy, and the results will be the same here as in China, Cuba, Cambodia, Soviet Union, etc., horrors beyond imagination.
Exploiting?!?!? If it wasn't for us these people would still be living in mud huts on a handful of rice a day. Subsistence farming, not engineering.
Lets move all the jobs back here to the US so the poor little chinese engineers won't be "exploited". I'm sure their wonderful society will provide them with much better opportunities on its own!
In China, the situation is there is no labor union etc.
So there is no fair market for labor,
the only weapon for ppl work there is switch job, which works for certain higher skill position.
but if your job can be trained in less than 6 months then this won't work.
you can only be exploited.
In a certain way the ordinary chinese workers are just raped.
The western company joined this crime scene pretending inocence,
Some company set up sth like EIMC, which is more to fool the western public rather than to solve this problem.
western public is also playing an evil role by quitely enjoying the low prices they got through sucking those dead ppl's blood.
what a shame .... esp. for those self labeled loving ppl.
We need to realise that people must pay a fair amount for services delivered. What is the value of the labour included in a $400 consumer device? Are the workers who deliver that labour being paid that amount? Just because it is legal to pay minimum wage does not mean it is morally right. If the workers spend 24-7 on the company site, buy their accommodation, food and other services from the company, not only are they short on leisure time but their are effectively in bonded-labour. The US rebelled against that employment model after "The Grapes of Wrath", why should it be expected as the norm elsewhere? That wage rises over 20% can be easily given implies that an excessive profit has been taken by the employer and that the balance has still not been redressed.
It behoves the Western OEMs to perform an analysis of their cost base to see if they are paying a fair amount to the workers involved. They can adjust for the local cost of living - Shenzhen is probably cheaper than Cupertino, but not take advantage of lower (or no) minimum wage levels set by Government.
To inspect factories means to check that they are clean and unlikely to remove limbs or poison the employees - it does not ensure that the workers are being fairly paid or that their lifestyles are sustainable.
The OEMs in China took the full advantages on the flaws of the law in China for Overtime Pay. The overtime threshold in North America is more than 44 hours in a work week. Overtime pay is 1Â½ times your regular rate of pay, or time and a half. How much Chinese workers got OT pay in OEM factories?
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