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Tyler.Morrison
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Tyler.Morrison   7/20/2010 7:02:37 PM
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great comments. i only disagree with your point about the auto industry. The Voluntarty Restraint Agreements and domestic content regulations on foreign automakers have not caused a loss of American jobs at least in terms of the Japanese automakers. What other industry has so many foreign R&D and high value added manufacturing plants in the U.S.? But this hasn't helped our exports.

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WSOCT   7/15/2010 4:33:15 PM
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The US invests 2.6% GDP in higher education. In contrast, Europe and Japan invest 1.2 and 1.1% respectively. Higher education is America's strongest industry with 42 or 68% of the world's top 50 universities. Per capita, the US trains more engineers than either China or India.

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asian   7/14/2010 6:26:25 PM
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and fyi, unfortunately i happened to see the Hollywood movie called "Up in the Air", and there were comment about asians. But do u remember , far long back, you white people visted all over the world without even visa and tried to terrorise the natives !!! and u killed native people and to make your so called McDonald kingdom !!! . Great Feory, with all these attitudes , it is not difficult to achive the things you boosted. There seems to be more of aggresiveness and than human nature. You have made the world in such a way, if others donot follow, they are seen as illiterates, terrorists, ...if we follow, just to show off for the society, they are seen by you, as job stealers or dirty immigrants..Great..

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asian   7/14/2010 6:15:50 PM
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@ Feory, yes it is difficult for you (not just you, everyone who thinks, that technology can only be innovative with white skin !!!), standing on other side, to understand all these. What i meant is that, other cultures in the world were far more advanced in cultures ( just check wiki for BC).. But they exploited other cultures... There were so many inventions like paper etc were basically invented in eastern countries. And when there were kingdoms in countries like east , the white ppl were tribals ( and there were no white ppl in usa). East were satisfied with their own economy. But there was immense competition in west to just to exploit all other cultures and get all the wealth ..and make all the other cultures , just their market. You used all these wealth you stole from the other cultures to get rich and try to advance technologically. You tried to introduce patents !!! for things which was invented/discoved in asia far more before u ever thought of... Is it fair !!! I am sure if you give such wealth and i am sure the ppl with any other coloured skin are capable to achive what white skins can do.... Btw do u speak any other language other than the your mother tongue.. Just think of people in other cultures take , not just trouble of learning your language ..they have to learn the things, which u think is the so called science. You think, whatever you do is the right, otherwise you wage war , in this so called modern era also and kill people !!!! I can understand how you can achieve so many things !!!you so called white engineers.. i know Steve jobs, got all the other software/hardware ( like chipsets and protocol stack) from companies like infineon, samsung and put together to make a so called ipad. ... I can only say , he is just a good business man and i can say he is a good assembler fyi, there are non white ppl, who contributed for the parts of the iphone ...

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old account Frank Eory   7/14/2010 5:44:52 PM
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@asian, I can understand your anger about U.S. hegemony, but those angry words about killing native populations don't address the question -- is engineering the same in every country? Is product development, marketing, management, sales and support the same in every country? I think it is not, which is a good reason why multinational corporations have all types of resources in the countries where they do business. It is not as simple as comparing engineering capabilities or comparing business experience or marketing expertise. If Apple could have used cheaper labor to conceive, design, productize and market the iPod or the iPhone, then why didn't they? Did they intentionally choose to pay higher costs and thus make less profit than was possible? Some people don't think those products would even exist today except for the vision of one man, Steve Jobs. Just one man! Globalization is a great equalizer, and the wage disparities between nations are being reduced -- have already been reduced relative to what they were not so many years ago. But even though a U.S. engineer today still costs more than his counterpart in certain other countries, there are cases where the American engineer can be cost-competitive with his Asian peers. If that weren't true, then there would be no American engineers at all. I apologize if you find that offensive.

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Iakovos21   7/14/2010 3:40:24 PM
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First we outsourced manufacturing....then we outsourced inventory..... then we outsourced customer support..... then we outsourced R&D design.... What is the next thing we will outsource ?? Management, Marketing.... our customers ? The same arguments apply for european companies too...

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asian   7/14/2010 1:05:26 PM
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fyi, we all belong to same human genes, and if we given same opportunity , everybody can achive what great white engineers achive.

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asian   7/14/2010 1:03:48 PM
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yes the discussion may be going off, but nobody wants to goto root cause.. americans, austalians were killing the locals, just because they didnot have the same way of life as them. They donot want other way of life , i mean other way of understanding nature, Now when other cultures are learning their way, they just want to make all racial comments about it..

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yalanand   7/13/2010 4:27:48 PM
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Interesting article, but i wonder why only blame start-ups. I wouldn't be surprised if the established companies outsource the existing jobs to countries like China and India. The real reason being availability of talented resources at reasonable cost. USA has to think of some out of box ideas to tackle this problem.

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sw555   7/13/2010 3:22:17 PM
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Competitive engineers and engineering in general isn't what I got out of Andy's article. It was about not losing our manufacturing base. This seems to be where our economy fails. Not too long ago, companies were proud of providing good jobs. Today, the main complaint about a lot of companies is their lack of loyalty to employees.

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