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docdivakar
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re: Intel calls for U.S. manufacturing tax breaks
docdivakar   10/20/2010 5:00:42 AM
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Perhaps the federal and state governments can strike a compromise here -why don't they consider a tax deferral for a few years allowing the economy to gather some steam. One would then hope that hiring and the ancillary growth in the so called ecosystem of companies like Intel would increase the tax base and the tax revenue by increased hiring. But if companies respond like they have these days (cash rich but hiring none!), then there is no cure for it. On a longer horizon, manufacturing has to come back to the US. I hope that is what the big businesses are intending to do with the tax breaks. Otherwise, there is no merit to seeking these tax breaks!. Dr. MP Divakar

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re: Intel calls for U.S. manufacturing tax breaks
tmh86   10/8/2010 4:25:11 PM
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If the U.S. gives special breaks, China and others will give bigger breaks. It becomes a race to the bottom, and who honestly believes that a race to the bottom with China is going to solve any long-term economic issues? Taxes are only one factor influencing the location of a new fab, or design center, or plant. Labor cost and availability, infrastructure, geographic demand distribution, and transportation costs generally are much larger factors than taxation. The key is not to match the tax rates of developing and third-world nations. The key is to make sure our own taxes do not favor offshoring and importing over domestic production and exporting. Let's address those tax imbalances first, before deciding that the only thing we can do is to engage in a race to the bottom.

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re: Intel calls for U.S. manufacturing tax breaks
gatorfan   10/8/2010 2:54:23 PM
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It's all about Supply and Demand. You can try to turn this into class warfare to only end up hurting yourself and the country. The Demand side is simple to understand: Intel and other high tech manufacturers have to keep investing in cutting edge manufacturing capacity. The Supply side is simple too if you can take your head out of the ideological clouds. Supply is in the form of cheap labor and locale specific incentives. Intel is not a charity or a not-for-profit company. All decisions are made based on strategic business direction followed by a choice of what gives the best return on their investment. $1B cost savings on the life of a wafer fab is REAL money. The question you fail to ask but is the most relevant is given China's large wage rate advantage why does China offer tax incentives at all? Simple answer once again: it's about the JOBS! Guess what the taxable income from jobs is to the US of a factory in China is? ZERO! Three laws of real estate and business: LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION! Isn't any amount of tax income better than NO tax income to the US with a factory located in the USA? America has got to take the class warfare out of this discussion because it is killing America's economic engine.

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re: Intel calls for U.S. manufacturing tax breaks
llcc   10/8/2010 9:04:48 AM
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Either lower tax rate, lure investments to the US and then collect tax at a lower rate, or raise tax rate and get no new investment nor new tax revenue. That's a no-brainer.

dkmccann
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re: Intel calls for U.S. manufacturing tax breaks
dkmccann   10/7/2010 9:04:25 PM
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Other countries are giving tax breaks to employers who locate manufacturing facilities in their countries. Even to the point of reimbursing them for certain labor content of the product. They get away with it, so to be competitive we (the USA) should also. If done properly this is not anticompetitive / antitrust.

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re: Intel calls for U.S. manufacturing tax breaks
VincePG   10/7/2010 8:39:26 PM
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Everyone acts like we are rich or something. I personally have no problem with tax breaks for companies that create jobs in the US, but the other side of the coin must also be addressed: Tax penalties for every job shipped overseas. This would be a revenue neutral approach that could be wrapped in a Patriotic bow. We must balance the budget. For every dollar of incentive given there must be a counterbalance revenue increase or budget cut. The US is broke. We should start acting like we are trying to fix it or there isn’t going to be a US in the future.

llcc
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re: Intel calls for U.S. manufacturing tax breaks
llcc   10/7/2010 7:01:08 PM
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So, what are you going to do? Spread the wealth among companies? There's something called competition. If you can't beat them, join them.

llcc
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re: Intel calls for U.S. manufacturing tax breaks
llcc   10/7/2010 6:57:21 PM
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Let's say the four executives get no pay, that adds up to 6.3+11.5+5.7+2.2=25.7mil or 2.57% of $1B tax incentive for manufacturing overseas. No growth marxists are DISGUSTING!

Mxv
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re: Intel calls for U.S. manufacturing tax breaks
Mxv   10/7/2010 3:30:40 PM
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I say RAISE TAXES FIRST on ALL COMPANIES foreign and domestic. Then GIVE TAX BREAKS to those willing to HIRE AMERICANS. This should destroy economic incentives for labor arbitrage.

resistion
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re: Intel calls for U.S. manufacturing tax breaks
resistion   10/7/2010 9:47:21 AM
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Here is an interesting read: http://www.electroiq.com/index/display/semiconductors-article-display/6866366914/articles/solid-state-technology/semiconductors/industry-news/business-news/2010/october/intel-gets_israeli.html "The Ministers of Finance and of Industry, Trade, and Labor reportedly have approved an eight-year, up to 678M shekel ($187M) grant to help upgrade Intel's Fab 28, which opened in the southern city of Kiryat Gat two years ago, from 45nm to 22nm process technologies (plus another 63M shekels/$17M for R&D expansion or local research). The deal also stipulates that Intel must increase its Kiryat Gat workforce by about 22% (570 workers) to 3100 total, and add another 50 workers to its development center in Jerusalem." It's something less of a step, though, than Intel had wanted -- the company originally lobbied for a $400M grant to bolster its planned $2.7B upgrade of Kiryat Gat, with 400 new hires. (Note the Ministry's Investment Center has a 500M shekel/$151M annual budget.) Nevertheless, Intel reportedly has pledged to "make every effort to see that Intel's next investment in upgrading technology will be implemented in Israel."

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