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pixies
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re: EUV tool costs hit $120 million
pixies   11/23/2010 3:34:27 PM
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Plus the inspection tools are not ready and the COO of EUV tools is lot higher because they have much longer down time. More than 50% of all health care cost is spent on the last 6 months of a patient, same is true for Moore's law.

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re: EUV tool costs hit $120 million
photoneer   11/22/2010 5:15:50 PM
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Today the "production like" tool costs about $90 million, with presumably a 10 watt light source. The estimates are that 100 or 200 watts or more will be needed for volume production. No testing has been done at this high power level, where there will certainly be more problems to solve, like heating and lifetime.

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re: EUV tool costs hit $120 million
Manolito33   11/22/2010 11:37:50 AM
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The one million question is what are Canon and Nikon gonna do now+ The have not chance to compete with ASML in EUVL-project. So, they have to find another technology to help then to survive and my guess is nanoimprint technology (NIL). What obout Mark LaPedus ?

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re: EUV tool costs hit $120 million
double-o-nothing   11/21/2010 11:56:36 AM
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Indeed companies have moved to 90 nm on KrF (248 nm), keeping their process window and avoiding new resists. They still seek to move to smaller nodes but at slower pace. When they decide to go to 65 nm, their choice would be interesting. Will they try to extend 248 nm virtually forever, as it now appears the big companies have shown how to extend 193 nm practically forever.

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re: EUV tool costs hit $120 million
elPresidente   11/21/2010 4:57:49 AM
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So IMEC is into this for $180M? Insane.

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re: EUV tool costs hit $120 million
greenpattern   11/21/2010 3:10:36 AM
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Rayleigh resolution of NXE:3300 is 26 nm, it looks behind spec. There doesn't even seem to be 15 nm optical design yet.

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re: EUV tool costs hit $120 million
resistion   11/20/2010 7:45:10 PM
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It's debatable if skipping to 193 nm directly to EUV is a good move, even for something like 90 nm or 65 nm. First, the DOF is much less. Second, there are fewer photons used for the same dose, so the image is noisier. Third, while there is no need for resolution enhancement techniques which tend to be expensive, the EUV mask itself is pretty expensive due to the wider variety of defect constraints.

resistion
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re: EUV tool costs hit $120 million
resistion   11/20/2010 7:03:46 PM
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Well the billion spent on just the EUV tools alone is a waste of good money that could be spent elsewhere. The only people who don't know that are those who don't know enough about EUV and are therefore not qualfied to judge.

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re: EUV tool costs hit $120 million
RobDinsmore   11/20/2010 6:57:06 PM
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There will not be a cheap solution for 15nm and below. Chip makers that have not adopted 193 are not producing high enough volumes to benefit from making a change. Industry leaders have to be on the bleeding edge or their will lose their competitiveness. EUV is extremely complicated technology which is why it is so expensive. But if it does get adopted all other parts of Fab will have to develop applications that work for sub 20nm. The R&D capital that will go towards this is certainly good for the industry. Citing that Intel spent a paultry 77Mil on venture as an argument against EUV is pretty moronic. How about the fact that Intel spends 13 Million a year on their CEO? How many more engineers could they hire with that money so that their R&D process engineers are not treated like slaves, and as a result, far less productive than they could be.

resistion
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re: EUV tool costs hit $120 million
resistion   11/20/2010 5:13:15 PM
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This is ~$100 million expenditure for one EUV tool, not even hitting 15 nm target. This week just read Intel spent $77 million to fund 18 startups. The EUV tool alone is not enough for EUV to work, the other pieces are not in place either. Comparing to imprint or maskless, those alternatives seem more cost-effective.

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