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old account Frank Eory
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old account Frank Eory   4/14/2011 11:35:45 PM
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Thanks for the reply, and it's good to know that ADI also has MEMS mics with PDM outputs. Although I2S is an old, ubiquitous standard audio interface, I would not be surprised if we start seeing more PDM support on audio CODECs.

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sranta   4/14/2011 10:58:40 PM
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To Frank's curiosity, there are very few (if any) off-the-shelf DSPs/uPs that have dedicated PDM audio input hardware. Sure, one can write FPGA code, burn MIPs, or throw a bunch of gates into an ASIC to handle the decimation filtering but now you are treading into make or buy scenarios with all the associated tradeoffs (as janekm points out) that include power consumption, number of parts, price, size of implementation, etc. ADI has made it very easy to add a digital microphone to any audio processing system that supports I2S input (and almost all digital audio circuits do.) In applications that need audio in, the I2S mic dramatically reduces the number of parts to implement this function. The mic has a glue-less interface to uP/DSPs that support I2S. These uP/DSPs support the various flavors of I2S (as kdboyce points out, several exist.) The ADMP441 doesn't support every I2S flavor, it supports slave I2S format (a popular flavor) so the mic is not burdened by having it handle all of the I2S flavors. Sure, there might be some devices out there that can't take this format in, but my money says these situations are very few and far between. The I2S mic also provides the freedom to put the audio input and output wherever it is needed without the worry of analog signal degradation and potentially eliminating a separate audio codec. Digital I2S Class D amps are available allowing one to place the amplifier near the speaker itself, reducing EMI, and preserving signal integrity up to the speaker since all audio is delivered digitally. A digital I2S mic, complements this architectural approach, reducing parts, preserving audio quality, and utilizing a common I/O interface. The I2S microphone addition completes a value portfolio of ADI MEMs microphones. If you want analog, ADI has an analog out MEMs mic. If you want PDM, ADI has that. If you want I2S, ADI has that...the customer gets choices and that is usually what customers want. Analog, PDM, I2S...ADI has a mic for that.

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kdboyce   3/1/2011 7:55:05 AM
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When using I2S for microphone output, it is true that you have more opportunity to interface with other audio devices. But you also burden the mic device with a more complex I2S format structure (is the output Left or Right justified, is it MSB first or LSB first, is it a slave or master device,etc.?) Unless all modes of I2S are supported, you will run into devices you cannot interface to even though the interface is supposedly a flavor of I2S.

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janekm   2/10/2011 11:04:17 AM
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The reason is that I2S is a ubiquitous interface for digital audio, permitting the use of a wide range of existing audio ICs without needing to write DSP code for the decimation step or adding an ASIC where one would not otherwise be required. In some cases, it is possible to make do without a DSP entirely by routing I2S directly between ICs thus reducing cost and time to market significantly.

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swldstn   1/26/2011 1:37:23 PM
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I agree with Frank. PDM provides a more efficient implementation of the microphone making smaller, lower power, and less expensive. Also in some systems you can process PDM with lower latency without ever doing decimation.

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old account Frank Eory   1/18/2011 10:58:56 PM
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I'm curious why non-handset product designers prefer I2S over a PDM (sigma-delta) interface. The serial PDM bit stream coming from the microphone's ADC needs to be decimated somewhere in the chain, but I don't see the advantage of putting the decimation filters in the MEMS device rather than in the DSP or ASIC -- where digital logic gates or MIPS are very cheap.

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R_Colin_Johnson   1/18/2011 10:29:16 PM
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Micro-electro-mechanical system (MEMS) pioneers Analog Devices just introduced their first solid-state microphone two years ago, but already it is ploughing new furrows with the world's first MEMS mic to use a state-of-the-art digital interface, rather than the legacy interface inherited from non-MEMS mics. Look for MEMS microphones to displace electrets in all but the most cost sensitive applications over the next few years.



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