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re: Update: Intel to build fab for 14-nm chips
GroovyGeek   2/19/2011 6:22:05 PM
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resistion: Let's get the facts straight. The alleged "womb to tomb" policy does not exist. This statement is flat-out incorrect. phoenixdave: While true that there were systematic layoffs a few years ago (for the first time in decades), I think that the "laid off in favor of engineers imported from India" statement needs to be taken with a rock of salt. Intel is one of the few companies in the industry that does not go through hire/fire exercises with the semi cycle. When a fab closes somewhere and another one opens half-way across the country (or the world) a significant fraction of employees refuse to move even when offered the opportunity. It is undeniable that the work load at Intel is significant (though by no means exploitative), as much as it is a fact that math and engineering are not viewed as a plausible career by many in the US. The distribution of graduates from both undergraduate and graduate programs says as much.

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re: Update: Intel to build fab for 14-nm chips
resistion   2/19/2011 3:37:25 PM
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Intel has a notorious "womb to tomb" policy, where engineers are not allowed to jump to next generation opportunities but have to stick with the same generation tools until obsolescence. New generation jobs given to new engineers.

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re: Update: Intel to build fab for 14-nm chips
phoenixdave   2/19/2011 3:09:05 PM
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@Rob: "Regardless, the only engineers that got laid off were those in 200mm fabs that were closed. More of a consequence of obsolescence rather than the US economy." I would hope that the length of an engineering career is not determined by how long a particular technology level is present, assuming the engineers knowledge does no become obsolete. Expertise in 200mm fab should provide the foundation of knowledge required to work in a 300mm fab.

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re: Update: Intel to build fab for 14-nm chips
yalanand   2/19/2011 2:45:33 PM
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@RobDinsmore I don't agree with your point that Indians are not career oriented and they tend to stick with the company just for the sake of getting Visa. Just read this article http://bit.ly/hZbVQl And more over US companies are suffering because of the reverse brain drain phenomenon. Read this http://bit.ly/aIn6H9

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re: Update: Intel to build fab for 14-nm chips
resistion   2/19/2011 2:30:38 PM
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So they are almost certainly working on 11/10 nm development now. Wonder if fab 68 will get high k or will it be stuck forever at 65 nm.

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re: Update: Intel to build fab for 14-nm chips
RobDinsmore   2/19/2011 1:21:26 PM
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Intel is building this fab to be their HVM1 fab for technology developed out of D1X. As for the jobs and the comment about Indian Ph.D.s. Intel cannot keep good US process engineers in development because most of the jobs are horrible. On call 24/7, all support and nothing interesting, no real opportunity for career advancement, etc. Foreign workers need Intel for the visa sponsorship and tend to stay. Regardless, the only engineers that got laid off were those in 200mm fabs that were closed. More of a consequence of obsolescence rather than the US economy.

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re: Update: Intel to build fab for 14-nm chips
yalanand   2/19/2011 12:07:01 PM
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Wow, This is exciting. 14nm technology has arrived. And i guess Intel has deliberately thought to build this fab in US and not anywhere else. This will give some respite to the qualified job seekers who lost their jobs to outsourcing/recession.

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re: Update: Intel to build fab for 14-nm chips
resistion   2/19/2011 11:29:49 AM
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I think it is an indication their 15 (sic) nm process is 'frozen' and ready for production. Good for them.

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re: Update: Intel to build fab for 14-nm chips
agk   2/19/2011 7:42:04 AM
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Intel goes ahead in technology improvements and this gives a lot of opportunities to us. This is marvelous and knowledge to be imported from any place to succeed

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re: Update: Intel to build fab for 14-nm chips
phoenixdave   2/19/2011 4:45:51 AM
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I know a lot of Intel process engineers that were laid off over the last few years in favor of PhD's imported from India. These engineers have either found work elsewhere or are still waiting a call back. I hope this is good news for US-based engineers, but I will wait to see. Creating jobs in the US is one thing, creating jobs and filling them with US engineers is another.

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