In a way that is sad, I'm not very familiar with the US school system, but I would wager that financial status affects which college one can attend. I have a colleague who is a telecoms technician by training but is the best SW and HW engineer I've ever met. He writes multithreaded DSP code in assembler and designs kW motor controllers for a living yet never saw the inside of a university. I have seen many engineers churned out by various universities that don't come close to his skill level. I think mental attitude and dedication account for 100 times more than school. How do you decide who to employ? I would say a written test, but not a resume if you're serious about getting the best man for the job.
When I started at Motorola so many years ago, they would not hire grads from DeVry, ITT, etc. as electrical engineers. For a technician position, yes. For an engineering position, no. They did not consider a BSEE degree from those types of schools to be real BSEE.
I don't know if MOT ever changed that policy, but clearly other employers did not share MOT's opinion. An acquaintence of mine got a BSEE from DeVry and was rather peeved that MOT considered him unqualified to be an engineer...so he just got a job (as an engineer) at another company.
Do you think the bean counters care or understand what your knowledge and experience are worth? I don't. I worked for a biomed company for 6 years and was let go for someone cheaper. I had got a board up and running in a couple of weeks and my cheaper replacement couldn't get a second going in 6 months. He did have a prettier CV with names like HP on it, but there might have been a reason for that?
The USA is cranking out unqualified engineers too. I have interviewed hundreds of engineers and graduates from the crappy tech schools like ITT, Heald, DeVry, etc. are consistently awful. Yet, they are convinced their BSEE's are the same as those from regular, accredited universities. I’ve repeatedly asked HR to filter those applicants, but there are so few grads from universities out there, we often have no choice. Every now-and-then I find a gem out of the tech school grads, but it seems they were very sharp going into the program and had a genuine, life-long interest in engineering.
There’s another aspect to Indian engineers’ mediocre performance many don’t know about: An Indian Bachelor’s Degree means they graduated high school. In the US, high school is high school and college is college, but in many Indian areas, grade 9-12 is called “college” and graduating “college” means they have a BS degree. My wife is East Indian and readily admits this and simply says US college is just harder that Indian college. I’ve confirmed this with Indian coworkers too. It sure makes for an uneven playing field in the US when my Indian engineer counterparts’ college degrees can’t be verified. My degree of course can be easily verified with a single call. I wish more US employers were aware of this.
Quite seriously I think we need to step away from an entirely market driven system. Parts of it must be market driven, but a lot of it has to be guided from a central management centre that is concerned about total final outcomes rather than some short sighted selfish profit motive. The only reason why America is in the mess it is now is because it thinks that totalitarian free market is the answer to all it's problems. Totalitarian capitalism is as bad or even worse than totalitarian socialism or any of the other totalitarianisms. They plod along for while and then collapse in their own excrement. You need boundaries and ground rules to guide things, not a free-for-all.
What u've said is 100% true. The current educational system in India needs to undergo a revolutionary change in order to produce efficient personnel meeting current industrial and technology demands. However, I would like to bring out a point here. Job opportunities in specific field should be developed which would automatically bring a radical change in the educational system and syllabus. This kind of change is evident from sudden growth of engineering colleges (which doesn't even have basic amenities) after people started getting tons of opportunities in software companies. The government should help and encourage entrepreneurs and also a strong relationship between the industry and academia should be developed. Remember the "Honors Cooperative Program" at Stanford initiated by Fred Terman to encourage employees from local firms to continue their studies, proved instrumental in building Silicon Valley!!!
The median home price in Bangalore would be around 5 million rupees. Thats roughly 5 times the annual salary.
A good way to compare cost of living,etc. is to use Purchasing Power Parity which is about 20:1 for the Rupee : Dollar. So 1.1M rupees roughly translates to the equivalent of $55,000 in the US.
I have lived both in the US and India and feel that this is a good metric to compare salaries
Major difference comes for engineers with 3-5 years experience who constitute about 60% of the total head count .For this bunch of engineers total annual compenstaion in India ranges from USD15K to USD25K . This is equivalent from purchasing power perspective about USD30K to USD50K in California. For engineers with 12-15 years experience , compensation in India ranges from USD40K to USD60K which is equivalent to USD100K to USD150K in California.Generally , these very senior engineers are returnee from US and need that high salary to maintain similar lifestyle.
Brian, any idea how 1.1M rupees compares with the cost of living in Bangalore, Heyderabad, etc.?
The median home price in Silicon Valley is over $500,000, so any comparison of salaries should also examine cost of living differences.
Long overdue response to Kris question about comparing Indian EE salaries to U.S. EE Salaries: The salary and opinion survey we collected last year has the Indian EE mean base salary at 1.1 million rupees or roughly $25,000. Mean total compension (bonuses and overtime) came in at slightly more than $27,000 USD.
(An Indian colleague of mine here at EE Times who started working for an EDA company as an engineer in India 10 years ago said it was the happiest day in his life when he got that job and a salary that was roughly that level).
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