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Peter.Barrett
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re: Does "crime" pay more than engineering?
Peter.Barrett   8/20/2011 12:06:15 AM
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Yes, but how many jobs actually await you in crime forensics. I think in Victoria (Aus) there is just 2. Doesnt stop unis teaching it though!

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Paul.Pacini   8/19/2011 7:46:36 PM
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ITT Tech, Heald, and similar are doing now what they’ve always done: providing poor-to-mediocre educations to low-effort students for exorbitant student loans. They do this full-well knowing the students will in all likelihood never be able to use their education. A few bright, motivated students will do great in industry, but they would have anyways regardless of their schooling. Heald and ITT may have started off legitimately back in the 80s and 90s as the electronics industry rapidly expanded, but when their cash-cow dried up, they quickly took the low-road and looked to popular TV to design their curriculum and to easy-to-qualify Federal loans to bilk. I also have personal knowledge of the awful educations provided by Heald and ITT and the like. When I was an engineering manager, I interviewed literally hundreds of techs and engineers. Absolutely, without fail, students from universities and local colleges did well with occasional gems. The Heald and ITT students knew absolutely nothing about engineering and only a basic grasp of electronics. Their resumes were copy-n-paste travesties of false claims and BS. I honestly felt bad for these guys who had just spent $30 to $40K on their “BSEE” and didn’t know what an op-amp was or ASICs or PICs; I’m not joking. I think those schools should be ashamed of themselves and closed. But, alas, it’s the US and I also believe in caveat emptor – especially in today’s information age.

Haldor
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re: Does "crime" pay more than engineering?
Haldor   8/19/2011 11:46:46 AM
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Schools like ITT Tech market what their customers will buy. Even now after 4 years of a depressed construction market I still see adds for "Construction" leadership type schools. IT/IS Tech jobs are becoming a bust since these are the same jobs that are heavily outsourced to India. I guess ITT's core customer base has figured this out which is why ITT is expanding into new "dream" jobs. Once again, TV leads the way. I love the disclaimers on the ITT adverts: "Credits are unlikely to transfer." That tells you a lot about the quality of that degree.

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re: Does "crime" pay more than engineering?
zeeglen   8/18/2011 11:53:49 PM
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The title says it all. Yes, crime pays. I dare to suggest that much of today's cybercrime is enacted by those with the relevant skills and knowledge but still cannot get a decent job.

old account Frank Eory
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old account Frank Eory   8/18/2011 10:15:16 PM
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I tend to agree with Bert, this just looks like ITT Tech trying to grow into new areas. I'm sure the appeal of programs like "forensic specialist" is partly fueled by TV shows like CSI, whether or not the job market for those positions supports the number of students enrolled in the program. But your headline asked a question that deserves an answer. Does "crime" pay more than engineering? A little googling on the subject seems to indicate that no, it does not. Engineering definitely pays more.

Bob985
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Bob985   8/18/2011 8:52:01 PM
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Part of the reason may be because crime scene investigation can't be outsourced to other countries the way engineering can.

Bert22306
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re: Does "crime" pay more than engineering?
Bert22306   8/18/2011 8:18:16 PM
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Oh, I dunno. One reason for going into other fields can also be that ITT Tech is trying to expand. Growth is a big deal in business. The other thing might be, the more electronics becomes miniaturized and production automated, the less opportunity there is for techs to work on it? Most of today's electronic gadgets, including TVs, but certainly smart phones and the like, are pretty much maintenance free and toss them away if they break. This wasn't the case years ago. Some electronic-related jobs continue to be a big deal, though. E.g., I doubt that ITT Tech would stop being interested in training IT technicians. So my guess is, at least part of it is, they are diversifying to grow.

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