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eembedded_janitor
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re: Chinese processors power supercomputer
eembedded_janitor   11/2/2011 10:53:01 PM
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All large militaries will want to ensure that they have an independent supply chain for key technologies. None really care how that is achieved - through independent IP development or leveraging existing IP. The South Africans did this during the apartheid era, as did the Russians and Chinese. If these become good enough to commercialise that is a secondary matter. It will be interesting to see if these eventually find their way into the embedded supply chain.

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eembedded_janitor   11/2/2011 10:47:04 PM
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Everybody "steals" IP. It all comes down to the way people spin it. The biggest US technical achievement - the Apollo program - was based on IP stolen from Germany.

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wave.forest   11/2/2011 2:15:14 PM
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It isn't important what it is originally from. The scary thing is that they are coming ...

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yalanand   11/2/2011 6:18:05 AM
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Just curious to know how much of this is original technology, because Chinese are knows for stealing existing IP's.

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Dr Daystrom   11/1/2011 9:08:41 PM
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The later is how I took it PJ - that the knockoff of the Chinese Alpha was originally for their military use. I don't think Dec was ever actively contracted or otherwise serving the needs of the red army (I'll ask my friend someday who was an Alpha yield engineer though ;-)

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PJames   11/1/2011 1:19:18 AM
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I didn't realize the DEC Alpha 21164 was designed mainly for Chinese military use. That wasn't widely reported back when it hit the market. Perhaps there is just a comma or two missing.

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ReneCardenas   10/31/2011 10:02:25 PM
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But is it really internal ORIGINATED IP, or is it just a impressive bootleg from an abandoned Alpha chip architecture plans? Not to belittle their accomplishments, but can this effort be qualified as home-brew IC development?

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polylith   10/31/2011 5:51:38 PM
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The age of the original design upon which this processor is based is rather irrelevant as to its degree of internal architectural advancement. E.g. Intel Sandy Bridge and AMD Bulldozer are "based on" x86 ISA introduced in 1978. Attaining 1 petaflops performance with only 65nm process 1MW power is quite significant. The supercomputer race got a lot more interesting with this announcement!

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old account Frank Eory   10/31/2011 5:15:54 PM
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I agree this is an impressive achievement, but let's not get carried away. A processor core based on or similar to the DEC Alpha 21164 -- which was introduced in 1995 -- hardly qualifies as "the latest in technology." Neither does 65 nm CMOS.

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tefl0n   10/31/2011 4:15:03 PM
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What? No MIPS/Godson/Loongson core?

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