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CC VanDorne
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CC VanDorne   12/1/2011 6:41:34 PM
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So much idiocy. So little time.

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CC VanDorne   12/1/2011 6:39:37 PM
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You probably won't find it in main stream reporting but start with the name George Soros and trace it down through the likes of Van Jones and Andy Stern, then down to the lesser known useful idiots. It shouldn't be too hard to make a straight line.

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Robotics Developer   12/1/2011 5:44:54 PM
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I agree that the conditions are tough and that we must reign in government $pending and SIZE, but I must point out that the American dream isn't dead. Many "may" have given up on the dream but many of us have not. If given half a chance we can do better, we can rebuild, we can work towards fixing the many things out of whack (Gov,Taxes,Special Interests,Entitlements). I am not saying eliminate it all / now! I am saying that we need to change our direction and fix what is clearly broken. It will take some time, it will be hard, some will be worse off for awhile, but in the end we will all be better off.

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stippu   12/1/2011 5:38:05 PM
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I second with Dylan and Bert - Frank has indeed clicked the right button. Let me give you an Indian perspective. We keep talking about innovation and great IT talent et al but at the end of it, do you see anything like an "Indian dream"" being voiced at all? I am not demeaning my country - I love my country but there is reality to be faced too. I am of the firm believer that it is all in the mind and if you really think you can do great things, I am sure you can. That’s the difference between America and other countries. Many Americans do have the guts and take the risk to do something different and take a path which is untrodden. Simply put, others don’t. Recently, I met this American and he narrated this " strange" experience: It was a five star hotel he was staying in, it was the first time he was visiting India and this hotel was a pretty new one, slightly away from the main city, so probably the staff were given instructions to be extra concerned about foreign guests. So when this American friend of mine wanted to go outside the building and take a look around, he was followed by the hotel security staff - just to make sure he could cross the road. He was pretty pissed off about this and ticked them off -literally told them to keep away from him and let him do the things his own way. Am sure the security guard would have been petrified but that's not the point. The point I am trying to make is - Americans do have the ability to do original thinking, even if it meant crossing the road with cars honking away to glory, whereas Indians or Chinese or Malayasians tend to follow the beaten path. So as long you are capable of thinking out of the box, then the American dream will never die. The whole world believes in the American dream, I don’t hear of any Chinese or Japanese dream.. how can something like this just fade away?

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mcgrathdylan   12/1/2011 5:29:33 PM
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@EMCgenius- paid by who? Do you have proof of this?

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EMCgenius   12/1/2011 4:51:43 PM
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The 'occupy' movement is not a spontaneous uprising. It is funded and orchestrated behind the scenes. Of the citizens camped out in the parks, some are actual volunteers. The unreported news is that most are paid.

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CC VanDorne   12/1/2011 4:19:46 PM
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So take the high road and highlight the need to understand that there is a broad range of problems. Fine. This forum is appropiate for that. Some problems ARE long-running: central banks, fiat currency, moral relativism, ignorance of Free-Markets, besieged federalism, unchecked "progressivism", etc.. But why be so quick to give a pass to the president of these 57 United States? Do you not recall the expectations that got him where he is? If he is not moving us in a direction toward solving those problems then he becomes the problem, even if they preceded him. Solving that part of the complex solution is easy. It starts next November.

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gah4   12/1/2011 9:20:36 AM
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I probably also believe that our kids will have a lower "standard of living", but I don't believe that is bad. Recent generations have increased the standard of living at the expense of the environment and unsustainable use of natural resources. Unless population growth levels off fast, the world, and especially the US, will have to switch to more sustainable practices. If we use an appropriate measure of "standard of living" then it won't be so bad.

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agk   12/1/2011 8:45:46 AM
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In history the engineering were almost with America,Germany and USSR. Now also the scenerio continues with America and Germany.maany of the Engineering ideas and dreams and new products,innovations,inventions are contributed from these two places.Where as the large scale production of these applications are else where. in the past 20 years this trend has grown leading to all sorts of current economical issues in America.Because mainly America by selling thier intelligence internationally spread the knowledge and every one country is following their path.So engineering dreams are more challenging and competitive with rest of the world.

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antiquus   11/30/2011 11:42:33 PM
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Although I do see the American Dream as possible, it depends on the bootstrap you can give your kids. @Frank can obviously do that. I recently read an artical that suggests social engineering is a cause: the government pays people to go to college, ergo no one wants to be an hourly worker, ergo no factories want to be in the US. Foreign economies are about to hit critical mass with their own engineering communities. Grandchildren of factory workers have achieved the resources to go to college, and will now compete against US engineers. Its not about money (although that is a factor), but it is about would-be engineers having an opportunity at this moment in time.

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