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resistion
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re: Time to play hard ball on tech manufacturing
resistion   1/28/2012 2:24:19 AM
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Keeping labor jobs in the US could result in higher product prices. If only people knew for sure consumer spending could keep up.

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re: Time to play hard ball on tech manufacturing
chipmonk0   1/28/2012 2:05:31 AM
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America has been seriously hurt by uncontrolled outsourcing to China. The people who advocated it, profited from it at the expense of the rest of the country need to be identified, isolated from any further decion making & the most eggregious among them need to be punished to set an example.

Mxv
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re: Time to play hard ball on tech manufacturing
Mxv   1/28/2012 1:26:16 AM
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BTW, most Chinese businessmen, once successful, want to leave China. They're buying houses in Canada and Australia. Guess they like breathing clean air.

Mxv
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re: Time to play hard ball on tech manufacturing
Mxv   1/28/2012 1:21:14 AM
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Sorry folks, Chinese manufacturing is not "efficient" it's subsidized by their govt thru their banks. The govt controls everything and everyone. Labor costs are low, because there are no strikes-- the army will shoot anyone that threatens the system. It's a planned scheme in order to lure in high tech manufacturing that can be usurped to their purposes later. If you don't believe it, then try moving a factory OUT of China -- can't do it, because the Chinese govt owns your factory equipment (foreigners are required to transfer their equipment to a Chinese 'partner'). I know of at least one company that tried to get their equipment back 10 years ago...their case is still in Chinese court. All you China lovers can move there if you like, I'll stick to our environmental and labor laws here.

Theo0
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re: Time to play hard ball on tech manufacturing
Theo0   1/28/2012 1:08:50 AM
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Hello, I need to point out that the "ultra Right Wing" of the GOP is actually Against wars not for them. Most of the GOP is actually left of center not right. The extreme right wing are mostly Classical Liberals and Libertarians. All of the Social Conservatives are way left of center. But they could be to your right from where you stand :^) With that said, I've Manage the Mfg of Capitol Equipment for several years and for the last 7 in the LCD market. Over this last year and on going this year, we are moving back Mfg to the silicon valley because it's actually cheaper here with all our higher wages than China or Korea. What people always look at is the cost per hour but never consider the output and quality. Our China adventure was a complete disaster. Couldn't keep talent and quality was very terrible. We lost market share and margin as a result. Tariffs, Trade wars and targeted tax benefits are not the answer Getting government out of the way as much a reason allows and getting people to understand that if you want to increase both Gov revenue and stimulate the economy lower and flatter taxes are the answer. Allowing Students to stay here after they graduate goes a long way too.

Mxv
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re: Time to play hard ball on tech manufacturing
Mxv   1/28/2012 1:04:05 AM
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They wouldn't have had the Unions in the first place if they treated their workers like fellow human beings. Instead they used them like chattel and forced them to work in inhuman conditions for minimal pay -- like many Chinese factories do now. Unions created the middle class. Now we're seeing the result of decades of attacks on Unions and labor laws. There was a debate ten or fifteen years ago in EETimes whether engineers should join unions. Guess who won (lost)...

Mxv
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re: Time to play hard ball on tech manufacturing
Mxv   1/28/2012 12:52:33 AM
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Sorry to disagree George, but low level assembly jobs are how the poor get from the lower classes to the middle class. Without these menial jobs, what do we do with the masses of low skilled workers -- teach them robotics? We need jobs at all skill levels and a way for people to earn their way out of poverty.

Mxv
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re: Time to play hard ball on tech manufacturing
Mxv   1/28/2012 12:47:36 AM
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What makes you so sure that when the economy recovers (and why would it do that with so many unemployed), that workers will be rehired here and not -- as is happening-- over there?

Bert22306
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re: Time to play hard ball on tech manufacturing
Bert22306   1/28/2012 12:45:09 AM
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I'm not sure I would call those jobs middle class, though. Not anymore. Simply put, the consumer is not willing to pay "middle class" wages to humans working on production lines anymore. Barely making more than poverty level can't be considered "middle class."

Bert22306
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re: Time to play hard ball on tech manufacturing
Bert22306   1/28/2012 12:40:17 AM
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The Chinese are still using cheap labor, though. So the question is, should we be pushing for more automated manufacturing here, as opposed to less automated manufacturing there? Is a highly automated factory here going to cost more for manufactiring products, than a factory in China that depends more heavily on cheap labor? Having worked in industry for a long time, I'm wary of near-sighted management. Building modern factories is not cheap. It might be cheaper, in the near term these guys usually think in, to outsource manufacturing to China. And yes, next you outsource design, then R&D.

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