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chipmonk0
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re: To have or not to have a fab in India
chipmonk0   2/17/2012 6:45:18 PM
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More electonics manufacturng in India would serve the purpose of denying excess profit to China which they have been known to use to drive up the price of raw materials & indulge in activities that are against US interests ( will incrase our Defense budget ). But India is not developed enough or even committed to excel in Fabs. Just look at how long it has been taking to formulate even an intelligent policy and traget an appropriate segment. There are probably a lot of digital designers there these days who only know that segment of semiconductors and are therefore having a lopsided effect on policies. Rather than keep hankering after the latest node ( might cost $ 10 billion to start a eco-system and then $ 3 billion per year for 10 years before showing any effect ) they need to start at the low end where there is both growing domestic & international demand. To absorb processes from others ( IMEC in Belgium, even Tower ) and run them at high yield takes at least 150 PhDs in solid state and materials sciences. They need to first develop that manpower at small R&D Fabs. Till then just like Taiwan & So. Korea 35 years ago they should focus on assembly & test of consumer electronics like displays & smartphones using imported components.

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Hotplate   2/17/2012 6:33:48 PM
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@The designers/product developers/manufacturers: Guys emerging markets (esp. the GIGANTIC yet under-penetrated market in India) are real and an unfolding opportunity I am sure if the electronic eco-system develops in India it would benefit others elsewhere. It is not a zero-sum game. And yes I am eternally grateful for the opportunities that this country provides to several individuals like me irrespective of the country of origin/religion. I have traveled a fair bit and I can attest that openness at work and in society is remarkable and that is the bed rock of American innovation and consequently the American Dream. I implore you to stop looking at the the rise of other nations as a threat to the American way. Let us continue to innovate but at the same time I agree that all the nations must be fair to each other. The per-capita income in India is 1/38th that of the US. Millions languish in poverty not for the lack of intelligence or willingness to work but because for years we had followed idealistic socialist policies where economic activity was perceived as a bane. But is it the responsibility of an American corporation or engineer to address that? NO. But your innovation can help millions. Let me put this in perspective. The wireless chip or the cable-modem board that you design/test has a profound impact on millions world-wide. The telecom/information revolution that is happening in India is a direct result of your efforts. The guy who earns less than 5$ a day can access information and make informed choices about his political representatives/kid's education etc etc. I think the question that must be pondered over is - How do we accommodate such extreme disparities in global economic structure and yet be fair to every one without slipping into Socialism? Sorry about the belabor. I have been a silent observer at EE-times for more than 2 years now and felt I should table my views.

george.leopold
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re: To have or not to have a fab in India
george.leopold   2/17/2012 5:55:20 PM
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We attempted early in the Obama administration to contact Labor Department and other officials to discuss outsourcing. We we're ignored.

junko.yoshida
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re: To have or not to have a fab in India
junko.yoshida   2/17/2012 5:32:44 PM
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Bringing manufacturing back to the U.S. may be an election-time campaign rhetoric, as you say. But it is also the idea many in the U.S. high-tech industry denounced awhile ago. We have been more accustomed to such casual comments as "nobody in the United States wants to do 'low-level assembly jobs' Chinese are doing any more." Or, "We should focus on R&D and innovations in the United States, not manufacturing." And many of us bought it! The truth is that those "manufacturing jobs" in China today require an astounding scale of high-tech manufacturing equipment and facilities; and a range of skilled workers to support the entire ecosystem around the manufacturing. As we shipped manufacturing, it turns out we have also shipped many engineering jobs as well. So, yes, bringing jobs back to the U.S. may be just a campaign rhetoric, but it is something we should reconsider and re-examine if there is more than rhetoric there.

phoenixdave
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re: To have or not to have a fab in India
phoenixdave   2/17/2012 12:32:28 PM
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@bpd..."Heck even President Obama did not talk about moving jobs back to the US until his re-election bid kick started." I'm glad that someone else also made that connection. Seems a bit disingenuous for him to bring that up at this point...

bpd
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re: To have or not to have a fab in India
bpd   2/17/2012 4:40:37 AM
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There you go again India basher !! Why don't you blame Steve jobs for shipping manufacturing to China? Heck even President Obama did not talk about moving jobs back to the US until his re-election bid kickstarted. I find it amusing when a capitalist talks nationalism when it's convenient. Let me break it down for you - Raman is a venture capitalist and is looking at the best ROI he deems fit. Guess it's Thursday and you really need to take a break from lawn mowing.

ray989
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re: To have or not to have a fab in India
ray989   2/17/2012 4:09:22 AM
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I think he was merely voicing the market thinking. It was a good comment. Israel needs to expand and what place is there than India. You would prefer them to go to China?

elPresidente
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re: To have or not to have a fab in India
elPresidente   2/17/2012 3:06:24 AM
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Here's an idea: Since he's not doing much good to the USA other than endorsing the diversion of technology cash overseas, how about canceling his green card (I seriously doubt he's a citizen with the kind of attitude he displays) and deporting Renu Raman to go play in India for a while? It's obvious he must have left India for a reason, but he apparently has no conscience, no gratitude towards his hosts or to those AMERICAN fund sources that stuffed his wallet over the years. Most immigrants, myself included, are eternally grateful to the country that let them in, that helped them prosper. Actually, Raman should just leave on his own accord if he's so miserable with the USA, and save us the money that'd be spent to send an ingrate home.

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