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jimfordbroadcom
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re: Buying MIPS would bring AMD nothing much, say analysts
jimfordbroadcom   5/3/2012 5:09:34 PM
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@SeanWx: "- Execute out of flash, fast - at full core speed. - On-chip flash of at 1MB." Are those things even possible? My experience with flash, admittedly dated by 10-15 years, is that it's really slow and doesn't integrate well with anything. But what do I know?

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re: Buying MIPS would bring AMD nothing much, say analysts
TarraTarra!   4/20/2012 5:10:08 PM
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Sorry guys, this makes no sense at all. Nathan is spot on in his analysis. The embedded market where MIPS licensees (not MIPS) have been successful is a very small sliver of the embedded controller market - set-top boxes, wireless basestations and some routers. BUT this space is under attack from all fronts - freescale and applied micro with their powerpc controllers and Intel with its xeon at the high end. Now the ARM vendors like marvell are further threatning this space. So this already small sliver will get even smaller. This is darwin'ian evolution at work in the processor arena. Only the fittest survive. I am nostalgic about MIPS too but lets face it - the competition is just too good and entrenched. AMD would risk going extinct too if they went this route.

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re: Buying MIPS would bring AMD nothing much, say analysts
moronda   4/19/2012 3:31:01 PM
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Hey, does Sandeep Vij get held accountable for total failure? Nice job Sandeep of turning around MIPS! "Team MIPS," said Vij, "is much more than just one company or one building surrounded by four walls, I've found out." By "Team MIPS," Vij means all the companies that use MIPS cores in chips, MIPS architecture licensees, and those who develop tools, platforms and software that run on MIPS. "They all have tremendous loyalty for MIPS. They all want us to succeed," Vij explained. "When you have that many well wishers, you know you can lean on them." I guess all those good wishes didn't lead to revenue? Has he just realized that ARM has and will continue to completely eat his lunch and he has no way to change that? So now he just wants to get paid and get out of there? I have to imagine all the MIPS employees stopped working on 4/13 and are sending resumes to ARM. What a misery pit that place must be.

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re: Buying MIPS would bring AMD nothing much, say analysts
jg_   4/19/2012 8:42:50 AM
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["AMD should buy MIPS, and put their engineering behind these capabilities: - Execute out of flash, fast - at full core speed. - On-chip flash of at 1MB. - On-chip memory of at least 8MB - Full USB, NAND controller, SPI, and the other usual suspects - Make an alliance with WiFI and 802.15.4 radio manufacturers, or buy a small one of these also."] AMD does not need to BUY MIPS to do any of that, they merely need a core license. - and notice that what you list as important, did not include the core. The actual Core is an ever-smaller part of a SoC these days... If you propose AMD buy an IP vendor and then start making shiploads of silicon, you can bet their licensees will be unhappy. So MIPS would need to come very cheap, for this to make sense. It WOULD let them generate chatter in the Press and Analysts columns, but that is not a technical reason.

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re: Buying MIPS would bring AMD nothing much, say analysts
przemek0   4/18/2012 5:42:24 PM
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Well, MIPS has a reputable history in server space; SGI was essentially MIPS-based and R6000--R12000 were the fastest CPUs around ... in the last millenium. Having said that, they're not competitive now, and they are squeezed by ARM at the low end, where you can get a Cortex M0 for well under 1$. Interestingly, the popular Microchip PIC line of microcontrollers is derived from an ancient proprietary design, but their 32-bit top-end member PIC32 is a licensed MIPS.

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re: Buying MIPS would bring AMD nothing much, say analysts
t.alex   4/18/2012 1:54:12 PM
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Would it be a good deal for AMD?

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re: Buying MIPS would bring AMD nothing much, say analysts
SeanWx   4/17/2012 7:55:42 PM
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And how does MIPS buy them anything in the server market?? Where is MIPS used in servers? It amazes me they pay these analysts anything.

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re: Buying MIPS would bring AMD nothing much, say analysts
SeanWx   4/17/2012 7:50:36 PM
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Oh, the analysts. So good at looking at looking at 10k's and computing next year's financials based on the past, but never able to seen down the road. AMD should absolutely buy MIPS, but not for the reason McGregor said. No, server's are not the future for MIPS or AMD. You need to look past AMD's current business McGregor. And buying a MIPS licensee is not the same thing as buying MIPS. Seriously??? Get a clue Nathan from "Insight" 64. AMD needs to buy MIPS to get out of the fabrication race, where you need to be at the next process as soon as Intel, and out of the 'mips' race (the other kind of mips, analysts, known as millions-of-instructions-per second) and instead be in the core IP design game. License what? License microcontrollers. Today the market for microcontrollers is still tiny, but 10 years from now it will be massive. There will be a 20 microcontroller's for every general purpose CPU such as ARM in your mobile, or the Intel on your desk. This is a lot of volume, but it only scales well if you license cores. AMD should buy MIPS, and put their engineering behind these capabilities: - Execute out of flash, fast - at full core speed. - On-chip flash of at 1MB. - On-chip memory of at least 8MB - Full USB, NAND controller, SPI, and the other usual suspects - Make an alliance with WiFI and 802.15.4 radio manufacturers, or buy a small one of these also. MIPS already has great microcontroller cores, but AMD needs to act on it. AMD already has an embedded business in G-series cpus. But they need to go smaller. We aren't talking about Fusion here (a CPU without a home,as useless in a tablet as a small laptop) - we are talking about microcontrollers. For everything from your toaster to the sensors in your yard.

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re: Buying MIPS would bring AMD nothing much, say analysts
KB3001   4/17/2012 7:06:12 PM
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I think this is a distinct possibility. Whether it would be good for AMD or not is another story.



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