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subman
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subman   5/1/2012 3:49:34 PM
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Probability...an ice cube's chance in delhi.

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Mxv   5/1/2012 10:38:13 PM
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The world's largest market behind China doesn't have a single foundry while China and Taiwan (a tiny spec on the face of the globe) has more than five advance fabs. The Indians should make this a higher priority than their space program.

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sandeep063   5/2/2012 8:35:42 AM
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the conditions for setting up lab in china and india are not feasible interms of climatic conditions and other manufacturing conditions. Lot of difficulties are to be faced.That s why hte comapanies are not showing much intreset in that regard

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Neo10   5/2/2012 3:48:41 AM
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The Indian government should act sensibly in this matter, it can't afford to spend billions just for wafers when the same can be imported at a cost which it will probably be never match. There are more pressing needs for the country than producing silicon. The power and water shortage is at alarming levels which should be addressed first before spending billions just to rub shoulders with others.

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yalanand   5/2/2012 7:26:12 AM
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@Neo1, biggest problem with Indian government is its not in majority and its a coalition goverment. Many political parties dont support tech projects and thus government is unable to take stand on crucial issues. Moreover corruption is hurting Indias growth. I really wonder if this project will ever happen.

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yalanand   5/2/2012 7:22:39 AM
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Why do we need so many companies to start a single 300mm fab ? Can't single company like TSMC build its own fab here, is it so risky to build fabs in India ?

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sandeep063   5/2/2012 8:36:09 AM
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the conditions for setting up lab in china and india are not feasible interms of climatic conditions and other manufacturing conditions. Lot of difficulties are to be faced.That s why hte comapanies are not showing much intreset in that regard

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yalanand   5/3/2012 5:58:34 AM
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@sandeep063, I am not sure if climatic condition is the factor which is affecting this. Isn't it that Singapore has almost the same climatic condition as that of india ? I think its the lack of infrastrcture which is hurting the creation of fab. I hope government will take steps to correct this.

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resistion   5/2/2012 1:38:52 PM
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With time it could support 14 nm as trailing edge. A very long time.

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Subhajit   5/2/2012 2:19:26 PM
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My own take is that unless there is greater involvement of the domestic private sector very little can come out of this initiative. The problem is that a lot of tangible electronics design output is in government sector (various R&D labs for Space, Aerospace, Defense, Nuclear etc.) that has limited potential to scale up and form a domestic market. Also a lot of technology infrastructure steps taken by the government (mainly civil servants,ministers but also heads of govt. sector companies/labs) have led to widespread accusations of corruption("scams") and misuse of public exchequer in recent years and will face enormous public/media scrutiny (through RTI and pending Lokpal(ombudsman bill) and even unfavorable court judgments.

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chipmonk0   5/2/2012 6:22:49 PM
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Somehow the technical / business factors holding back semi Fabs in India have not been discussed. Since these days some logic design is being outsourceded to India, that is all they know about semiconductors. Compared to China they are all wet behind the ears which is why after nearly a decade of announcements nothing tangible has happened. They have no idea about the less complex devices ( RF IDs, RF, power, LEDs,.. ) for which there is a growing demand and these could be a sandlot / stepping stone to more complex devices e,g. processors etc. There is hardly any R&D on device physics, materials etc. needed to create the expert manpower to absorb & customize technologies & run Fabs at respectable yields.

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Pellicle   5/2/2012 9:15:30 PM
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I tried this in the 90s with the best possible team one could assemble (read ex TSMC). My conclusion then and now: There are lots of people with the $B but none with the vision or the balls to keep plowing $MM to stay current. One problem i see right away - too many cooks. Start with backend assembly & test to build the competency, work on the infra-structure and supply chain.

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chipmonk0   5/3/2012 8:15:24 PM
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completely agree about Backend, have advised Indians to start that way, but they are too vain, unrealistic, dumb to learn from the success stories of Taiwan, So. Korea, Singapore and now China

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Mxv   5/3/2012 1:33:30 AM
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India imports most of it electronics from China. Considering the Chinese are enemy No. 1 of the Indians with Chinese missiles based in Tibet are pointed at every major Indian city -- the Indians are funding the very guns and bombs that will kill them in the next war with China. Further considering the Chinese consider several Indian states as part of their territory and daily incur into India territory, it's only a matter of time that India and China will square off. India will loose again as it did in 1962 because of the weak minded Indians like the ones on this board that claim India shouldn't have a Fab. The money should be spent on bread and butter instead they claim. Bread and butter won't save you from annihilation. But defense electronics and systems may. Will India be forced build it's military electronics on Chinese fabs? Would Americans stand for this situation if it was us?

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yalanand   5/3/2012 5:51:56 AM
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@BobsUrUncle, I am surprised that you are not updated about current trends. India recently tested Agni 5 which can reach every major chinese city. With this capability India has all the capability to retaliate any chinese aggression. No body can stop India from having a fab. I know its a slow process but once it picks up pace no body can stop the growth. Remember Indian IT growth sector story.

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geekmaster   5/3/2012 4:40:19 PM
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I wonder who has actually been in India and checked out feasibility. Do political issues dominate here? There is no infrastructure to support a Front End fab. India is great in design! Why a fab?

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venkata simhadri   5/4/2012 6:51:44 PM
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There is a saying.. "When milk is freely available at a reasonable cost, why buy a cow?". While Fabs in Asia ( Singapore, Taiwan, China ) and Israel are selling wafers at reasonable cost, what's the reason to spend huge amounts of money to setup fabs? Also, people should realize that the capital expense is only part of the problem. There is a huge cost involved in keeping the fab operational and if you don't run it with a certain level of utilization, it will become a white elephant. Also, the basic inputs needed to run a fab, water and electricity are in serious short supply in India. Over the last 15-20 years, India has built a vast pool of design talent and I advise Indian government to rather focus on: * Promote local fabless companies who can design chips in India, buy wafers from outside and get them packaged and tested in India. Look at companies like Broadcom and Marvell. They don't use any fabs in USA. * Promote IP companies that can create building blocks for SOCs * Setup package/ testing houses that can take raw wafers and crate packaged parts for local consumption

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James Walker   3/12/2013 9:53:22 PM
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Wafer fabs around the world are usually built with local and national government support and the support tends to be highest for sites where there is no history of chip manufacturing http://www.mariages.net/robe-de-mariee/may-s-ange--e36202

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James Walker   3/14/2013 1:56:06 PM
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Wafer fabs around the world are usually built with local and national government support and the support tends to be highest for sites where there is no history of chip manufacturing http://www.optimalhosting.com/features

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James Walker   3/22/2013 1:53:57 PM
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"While Freescale and TSMC have declined the proposal, Intel has offered advisory support on infrastructure and financial matters related to semiconductor manufacturing," the report quoted an unnamed source as saying. GlobalFoundries has said it can offer know-how for 200-mm wafer processing and processor intellectual property, the report said http://www.croatiayachtcharter.com



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