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David Ashton
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David Ashton   5/2/2012 9:19:17 PM
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I remember a chinese cookbook my mom had when I was a kid. It got round this problem by defining and using "hse" for He/She throughout the book. Quite a neat way round it.

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Max The Magnificent   5/2/2012 9:01:07 PM
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SO... what should a kid say when his parents say “you're grounded”? And what does he say if his hobby is electronics? Think about it...

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Max The Magnificent   5/2/2012 8:50:26 PM
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@"...one that should not be used, even casually between EEs..." Unless they are very close friends ("What happens on Planet Analog stays on Planet Analog")

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BicycleBill   5/2/2012 8:45:49 PM
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It's not just aircraft or cars that don't have an Earth ground--your latest battery-powered mobile "whatever" doesn't have one either. Like I said, "ground" is a very, very mis-used term and one that should not be used, even casually between EEs, unless you really do have an Earth connection. Sloppy terminology here will lead to sloppy thinking and subsequent problems.

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Max The Magnificent   5/2/2012 8:21:35 PM
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Of course you did :-)

old account Frank Eory
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old account Frank Eory   5/2/2012 8:13:36 PM
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I meant the generic "he" as in "s/he" :)

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Max The Magnificent   5/2/2012 7:45:44 PM
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@"...most of the circuits he will be dealing with..." "He"? Oh Frank, how frightfully un-PC of you ... I can hear the mob approaching your door as I pen these words... :-)

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old account Frank Eory   5/2/2012 7:34:56 PM
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I recall we had a similar discussion about the meaning of "ground" on eetimes.com a year or so ago. There are good arguments for using the name "common" or COM or some such thing, but historically most of us use "ground" and signal names like AGND, DGND, etc. I would tell the student to forget about the whole notion of Earth ground, since it doesn't apply to most of the circuits he will be dealing with, and it really just confuses things. Even in the case where there is an Earth ground connection -- like the electric service panel outside your house -- currents still flow in loops, and the electrons don't just magically disappear into the Earth.

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Max The Magnificent   5/2/2012 6:52:03 PM
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Hi Brian -- As I say, I remember when I was younger trying to find things out -- it amazed me the number of people who wouldn't even respond to an email by saying "Sorry" ... I always make a point of responding, even if the answer is "No, I can't design your final year project for you" :-)

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Brian@BDH   5/2/2012 6:41:19 PM
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Hi Max, Thanks for posting these Q&As. I really liked some of Bill Schweber's answers. SNIP ==} Unless you have a connection to earth ground, you should call it “common” Bill is correct. I usually use signal/node names like GND, AGND, DGND, etc. In the future, I think I'll start considering COM notations. Regarding your future responses... SNIP ==} "Ask me your top two questions" I think in the future you should start off by saying "send me a P.O.". Then, let them send all the questions they want! :-) Well, okay, maybe your answer is better for a student. :-)

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